TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#84276: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:10:13 AM

... And then the Wakandan team gets banned for doping because they all took the heart-shaped herb.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84277: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:10:49 AM

Then Wakanda starts it's own Olympics

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84278: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:31:11 AM

One thing I will say in favour of Whedon's Natasha is that (perhaps unknowingly) she's coded as autistic pretty well

As an autistic viewer, ????!?!?!?????!!?

I do not see that coding anywhere, think it’s a poor excuse for poor dialogue, and really don’t like the stereotype of “autistic people make better assassins.” If you want to see what a Whedon character coded autistic looks like, it’s the Flash from Justice League.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84279: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:35:37 AM

As an Autistic person... I don't know. I can kind of see the logic, but I don't think I agree.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84280: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:35:45 AM

Also autistic and have to say I don't remotely see it. If you want a Marvel character that's maybe a bit closer to being autistic-coded, Drax is a better if still kind of problematic example (I've heard a few autistic kids who related to his inability to grasp metaphors).

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84281: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:37:26 AM

Except Drax's thing is specifically said to be something inherent in his species. Then again, Rocket might be full of shit.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84282: Apr 7th 2018 at 11:39:39 AM

> Rocket might be full of shit.

He can also understand Groot perfectly,so maybe he's not

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84283: Apr 7th 2018 at 12:00:31 PM

Well, they can all understand Groot now, so...

Just because Rocket can speak Groot doesn't mean he's not full of it.

One Strip! One Strip!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84284: Apr 7th 2018 at 12:06:25 PM

There is an episode in the animated series in which is implied that Rocket actually doesn't understand Groot all that well, but Groot just lets him believe that he does because he is nice like that. But it might be different in the movies.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84285: Apr 7th 2018 at 12:30:31 PM

Well Drax can be typical for his species, but his species could all also be coded autistic. Its not like that's mutually exclusive.

I'll see if my autistic friends who first pointed out the "Nat is coded autistic and I relate to her" thing to me in the first place are willing to share their thoughts on it. Like I said, I can see why they relate to the character in how she's presented in the avenger films, but I don't want to speak for them, because, y'know, I'm not autistic and it's not my place.

Also I don't think it's fair to argue that because Flash is coded autistic and Nat doesn't resemble him, she can't be coded autistic, like, autism isn't interchangeable in how it presents in people, especially across the gender line.

Also also, I wasn't aware that autistic women as spies was a cliche! If so it makes me like how Whedon writes Nat less. I was aware of the long history of autistic women becoming spies in real life, but I could see how in media that could just become an annoying cliche.

Also x3, I kind of doubt Whedon intended for Nat to be read this way. It's well known that Whedon bases his female characters off of women in his life (often his mother) so I wouldn't be surprised if Whedon is writing autistic traits into his characters without even realising that that's what he's homing in on.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84287: Apr 7th 2018 at 2:30:31 PM

What I was arguing in regards to Flash and Widow was not “autistic people can only behave in one way”, and rather “Whedon, a non-disabled writer, has a very narrow idea of what neurodivergent people behave like, and Flash is that idea, not Black Widow.” Black Widow has too many intentionally smart-witted lines, while most of the Flash’s laugh lines come from him saying something he doesn’t realize sounds weird. He’s the butt of the joke, the butt of Widow’s jokes is who she directs her snark at.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84288: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:09:25 PM

I mean, I don't disagree with you; I've already said that I'm not sure Wendon would have coded Nat intentionally. So again I don't think how he writes Flash is much commentary on how he writes Widow. Nor do I think he'd nesicarily write autistic characters the same. (well he might, but I wouldn't assume it)

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#84289: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:32:10 PM

[up][up][up] Tom Hardy will bring in viewers if he does his Bane voice.

Just Makima.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84290: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:41:10 PM

Maybe Sony will change that "you can't use this or that without our permission" stance once their Venom movie inevitably underperforms in the box office... evil grin

All that's gonna ensure is that Marvel definitely stays away from Venom for the foreseeable future.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#84291: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:53:07 PM

Pretty much. Sony has time to repair the PR and ensure the movie is at least decently liked, but if it does flop I don't see how Silver and Black is supposed to be any better.

Just Makima.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84292: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:57:08 PM

I wouldn't underestimate Tom Hardy's star power at the moment. The film might struggle, but I'm not predicting it to be box office poison.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84293: Apr 7th 2018 at 4:02:51 PM

I mean, I didn't see the MCU using the symbiotes in the first place. They're a whole plotline that requires a lot surrounding them, while at the same time there aren't an awful lot of unique things you can do with them anyway.

I could've seen them using the symbiote well into the future in a Secret War adaptation, introducing it like it was in the comics (where it's on him for a while before realizing it's alive, and it being less inherently evil and more impressionable and obsessive) and giving it and Peter a more complex split, but that possibility is a far ways away.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84294: Apr 7th 2018 at 4:25:44 PM

[up][up]The movie allegedly also has a lower budget than your typical superhero movie since they're looking at an R-rating, which means the amount it has to make to break even is probably lower than usual.

edited 7th Apr '18 4:25:53 PM by comicwriter

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84295: Apr 7th 2018 at 4:40:21 PM

To be fair, so did Deadpool.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84296: Apr 7th 2018 at 5:43:27 PM

I wouldn't underestimate Tom Hardy's star power at the moment. The film might struggle, but I'm not predicting it to be box office poison.

Star power is whatever. Plenty of films with popular actors flop. If it doesn't get people excited it's going to flop.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#84297: Apr 7th 2018 at 5:45:35 PM

never forget Catwoman had Halle berry in the leading role and it flopped hard

edited 7th Apr '18 5:45:44 PM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84298: Apr 7th 2018 at 5:46:17 PM

The appeal of seeing Bane as Venom will also decline if its truly revealed that Venom is barely in it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#84299: Apr 7th 2018 at 5:54:35 PM

That or bad word of mouth.

Just Makima.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#84300: Apr 7th 2018 at 5:56:39 PM

I don't know, from 1999 to 2012, sure, star power was worth nothing. But now foreign markets are opening up and China is willing to pay hundreds of millions to see Benedict Cumberbatch in Doctor Strange, I think we're returning to the era of star power.

However, being an R rated film with a smaller budget, I expect Sony consider this a low risk film.


Total posts: 186,763
Top