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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I... actually would've liked the idea of Thor being the one to calm down Hulk: but by fighting him in a safe, oddly enjoyable way.
It's difficult so say how well that would've worked at the time, though. Hulk as his own person, a warrior, who had his own approach to anger and his own desires, is only really something that's come about in Ragnarok. At the time Ultron was made, beyond a vague reference by Tony at one point, Hulk was still the explosion of Bruce's emotions, not his own.
That's arguably the reason it worked for Widow but not for Thor. Not just because the two were different, but because Hulk circa Ragnarok is a very different person from Hulk pre-Ragnarok.
I like the idea of Natasha allowing herself to get captured by Ultron after using some Natasha deduction to realize that he craves companionship and/or an audience and needed someone new to talk to after the twins left
She'd bust out of the cell on her own and signal the Avengers his location and as much of his plans as he had ranted at her up to that point.
She could still push Bruce down the hole. If the relationship is still a thing in this version it should also be a thing that it was doomed to fail because Natasha would always push him in the hole to save the world
Forever liveblogging the AvengersAll I could say is I'm a bit worrisome at hearing one time that the Bruce/Natasha thing is apparently coming back in Infinity War. Granted, I trust the Russo brothers with quality way, way more than I trust Whedon so that mitigates my fears a bit but still, this is one dynamic I didn't really care to see again and I can't help but think just how hard it'll be to get right or even be made bearable after Ao U shit the bed something fierce with the two characters. In general, this is probably my least favorite movie in the MCU and just about the most disappointing looking back.
(EDIT: ninja'd by the discussion shifting to Captain Marvel, my point still stands)
edited 6th Apr '18 11:07:50 PM by XJTordecai
On my wave, passing oooooooonImo, it's almost always better to conclude a poorly written but important plot point with a better writer than to awkwardly try to throw out that plot point as if it didn't happen, so my response to "Widow/Banner is in Infinity War" is generally "as well it should be" and "I hope it gets a decent send off."
Whedon is a sexist idiot and everything in Age of Ultron pertaining to Natasha is glorifying a blatantly abusive relationship that came right the fuck out of nowhere.
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I'm confused because the Hulk and Natasha have no relationship. However, Whedon is prone to doing "Beauty and the Beast" style ones like Buffy/Angel, Spike/Buffy, and other "monster and woman" ones.
Except clearly Natasha terrifies Bruce and he runs away from her.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.@wisewillow I offered to see it from your point of view if you would do me the same courtesy.
Sorry for the speech, I just really needed to get that off my chest. I'm excited to see Korath again! For being a minor villain, he was great in GOTG, and I hope he gets more than just a quick cameo in Captain Marvel.
I've never really liked in general the trope of "Hulk is calmed down by seeing pretty lady". Feels way too easy, and not at all accurate about the effects of anger. Or how women can be angry too.
Applying it to Black Widow, an ice-cold ex-Soviet assassin, feels like seeing Batman baking a strawberry cake with chocolate sprinkles.
edited 6th Apr '18 11:16:25 PM by Tuckerscreator
Its from the graphic novel the Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats Up The Marvel Universe wherein she beats up the marvel universe by megamanning her way through all the superheroes and villains by taking their gear to use on different people. She had a flow chart and everything.
Actually it was her clone.
The pumpkin was a pumpkin bomb but I guess more like a pumpkin shot put? Knock people out instead of explode them?
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThats Squirrel Girl for you.
And here's her chart.
◊ Now don't you use it to take over the marvel universe.

She better have a colorful costume.
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