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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84226: Apr 6th 2018 at 10:58:24 PM

She better have a colorful costume.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84227: Apr 6th 2018 at 10:58:43 PM

I've really liked reading both the Deconnick run and the Fazekas-Butters run of Captain Marvel this week.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84228: Apr 6th 2018 at 10:58:56 PM

I'm curious whether there's going to be any good Skrulls, since they're apparently not uncommon in the comics.

edited 6th Apr '18 10:59:23 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84229: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:02:13 PM

I... actually would've liked the idea of Thor being the one to calm down Hulk: but by fighting him in a safe, oddly enjoyable way.

It's difficult so say how well that would've worked at the time, though. Hulk as his own person, a warrior, who had his own approach to anger and his own desires, is only really something that's come about in Ragnarok. At the time Ultron was made, beyond a vague reference by Tony at one point, Hulk was still the explosion of Bruce's emotions, not his own.

That's arguably the reason it worked for Widow but not for Thor. Not just because the two were different, but because Hulk circa Ragnarok is a very different person from Hulk pre-Ragnarok.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84230: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:05:11 PM

I like the idea of Natasha allowing herself to get captured by Ultron after using some Natasha deduction to realize that he craves companionship and/or an audience and needed someone new to talk to after the twins left

She'd bust out of the cell on her own and signal the Avengers his location and as much of his plans as he had ranted at her up to that point.

She could still push Bruce down the hole. If the relationship is still a thing in this version it should also be a thing that it was doomed to fail because Natasha would always push him in the hole to save the world

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#84231: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:05:38 PM

All I could say is I'm a bit worrisome at hearing one time that the Bruce/Natasha thing is apparently coming back in Infinity War. Granted, I trust the Russo brothers with quality way, way more than I trust Whedon so that mitigates my fears a bit but still, this is one dynamic I didn't really care to see again and I can't help but think just how hard it'll be to get right or even be made bearable after Ao U shit the bed something fierce with the two characters. In general, this is probably my least favorite movie in the MCU and just about the most disappointing looking back.

(EDIT: ninja'd by the discussion shifting to Captain Marvel, my point still stands)

edited 6th Apr '18 11:07:50 PM by XJTordecai

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84232: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:07:43 PM

Imo, it's almost always better to conclude a poorly written but important plot point with a better writer than to awkwardly try to throw out that plot point as if it didn't happen, so my response to "Widow/Banner is in Infinity War" is generally "as well it should be" and "I hope it gets a decent send off."

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#84233: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:08:57 PM

[up]Whedon is a sexist idiot and everything in Age of Ultron pertaining to Natasha is glorifying a blatantly abusive relationship that came right the fuck out of nowhere.

??

I'm confused because the Hulk and Natasha have no relationship. However, Whedon is prone to doing "Beauty and the Beast" style ones like Buffy/Angel, Spike/Buffy, and other "monster and woman" ones.

Except clearly Natasha terrifies Bruce and he runs away from her.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84234: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:11:46 PM

Banner and Natasha's relationship is a major part of Age of Ultron and it falls under the same Beauty and the Beast shit.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84236: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:15:36 PM

I've never really liked in general the trope of "Hulk is calmed down by seeing pretty lady". Feels way too easy, and not at all accurate about the effects of anger. Or how women can be angry too.

Applying it to Black Widow, an ice-cold ex-Soviet assassin, feels like seeing Batman baking a strawberry cake with chocolate sprinkles.

edited 6th Apr '18 11:16:25 PM by Tuckerscreator

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84237: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:19:14 PM

I'd love to see Batman try to bake a cake for Robin's birthday. He'd ask Alfred to help him on it, and Alfred would be confused as to why he doesn't just do it, but Bruce wants to do something personal, meaningful, and outside his comfort bubble.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84238: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:19:41 PM

[up][up] [up]I hope Korath gets more to do as well.

edited 6th Apr '18 11:19:54 PM by wisewillow

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84240: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:34:59 PM

1: why does Squirrel Girl have Doc Ock's arms?

2: what the hell did she throw at his head? It looked like a tiny pumpkin, but it went klang...

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#84241: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:36:16 PM

Same comic where she once wore an "Iron Man suit" made out of live squirrels.

edited 6th Apr '18 11:36:31 PM by Tuckerscreator

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84242: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:37:11 PM

While great information to have, it doesn't answer either of my questions and only raises further ones.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84243: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:41:18 PM

Its from the graphic novel the Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Beats Up The Marvel Universe wherein she beats up the marvel universe by megamanning her way through all the superheroes and villains by taking their gear to use on different people. She had a flow chart and everything.

Actually it was her clone.

The pumpkin was a pumpkin bomb but I guess more like a pumpkin shot put? Knock people out instead of explode them?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84244: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:42:37 PM

Oh, okay, that makes sense. It's really weird but it makes sense.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84245: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:48:15 PM

Thats Squirrel Girl for you.

And here's her chart. Now don't you use it to take over the marvel universe.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84246: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:54:18 PM

Doreen's idea for beating the Purple Man is far better than Jessica's Supermax gambit.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84247: Apr 7th 2018 at 12:39:42 AM

Wait, Purple Man's powers in the comics come from a pair of glasses?

IronScope STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS. from Somewhere Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
STOP. RESETTING. MY. DISPLAY. OPTIONS.
#84248: Apr 7th 2018 at 2:20:01 AM

I hope Coulson has godawful 90sHair in Captain Marvel.

This place is careless.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#84249: Apr 7th 2018 at 2:28:32 AM

It's the thing I'm most looking forward to in the film.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84250: Apr 7th 2018 at 3:37:43 AM

I am pretty sure that our M&M's will manage to fix the whole Natasha/Bruce romance. They are pretty good in taking what other movies came up with and making it better in hindsight.


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