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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84126: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:08:10 PM

It got opened back up and then got closed again? So many opportunities to say 'Reydi' gone like tears in a swimming pool...

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84127: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:09:48 PM

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Can't be jealous of a hack writer. Now maybe quit derailing the thread with this nonsense, please?

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Vampfox Since: Nov, 2012
#84128: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:10:51 PM

You're the one who's derailing the thread by attacking a good man.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84129: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:11:56 PM

Please drop it and stop making personal attacks.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84131: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:13:00 PM

Small comment but a guy who cheated on his wife isn't necessarily a "good" man.

But I digress, let's move on.

edited 5th Apr '18 9:13:17 PM by slimcoder

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84132: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:13:18 PM

Anyways, yeah, gonna be rewatching Guardians of the Galaxy, that'll be fun hopefully.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84133: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:13:22 PM

I want to see Hit Monkey on the silver screen some day.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#84134: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:13:25 PM

So I really love the makeup from Guardians. Gamora and Nebula look incredible, as does Drax.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84135: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:14:29 PM

Looking at Avengers Assemble, Gamora's look really does not transfer well to animation.

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ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#84136: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:14:55 PM

[up][up][up]Armless Tiger Man or bust.

edited 5th Apr '18 9:15:04 PM by ViperMagnum357

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84137: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:19:11 PM

Avengers Assemble is not a good example of good animation.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84138: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:22:10 PM

[up] True.

Though it does show how completely aping the MCU aesthetic is a bad idea.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84140: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:26:29 PM

They should have aped the MCU's writers instead.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84141: Apr 5th 2018 at 11:12:31 PM

They kind of did, just in the worst way possible. Avengers Assemble has a bad habit of repeating moments, lines and ideas from the MCU verbatim without regard for whether doing so actually works.

edited 5th Apr '18 11:13:55 PM by KnownUnknown

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#84142: Apr 5th 2018 at 11:15:21 PM

I think if there's one movie that's had the most positive influence on the MCU, its Got G. Without it we wouldn't have Thor Ragnarok, and arguably Marvel would have put less faith in lesser known properties like Black Panther or Captain Marvel

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#84143: Apr 5th 2018 at 11:27:34 PM

GOTG was also arguably the point where Marvel first nailed the idea of giving every series it's own tone and genres. Before that point, the only series doing that was Captain America, and even that one had two largely distinct concepts for each movie. Meanwhile, Thor and Hulk had suffered from trying a bit too much to be safe, traditional superhero/action films and do their own thing at the same time.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#84144: Apr 5th 2018 at 11:53:33 PM

What one has to remember regarding the early Marvel movies: They were head and shoulders over what passed as "superhero movie" back then and without them, we would have never gotten the later movies. And yes, a movie like Civil War is more exciting than some origin movie, but you need the origin movie to get to Civil War.

Hopefully the MCU as a whole will be just like Ao S...in that it will just get better and better.

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#84145: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:11:19 AM

Reading that "bizarrely offensive villains" list, and is it just me, or would Hate-Monger actually work really well in the Netflix shows, especially in the current political climate? Cut out the "literally Hitler" thing and just have him be a former HYDRA guy orchestrating a Ku Klux Klan rally, and he could totally work as a secondary villain.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84146: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:22:07 AM

They were head and shoulders over what passed as "superhero movie" back then

I actually like most of the Phase 1 films alright now (I don't think Thor is so bad anymore, and even IM 2 has its good parts, the only one that sucks balls is TIH), but I'm not sure I would go this far.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#84147: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:29:09 AM

They could use other people for that though. The fake Captain America has had a few dealings with Right-wing Militia Fanatics. I'd like to see him in something.

[up]Which non-MCU movies are better? The only serious competition is The Dark Knight, X-Men 2, and Spider-Man 2. Everything else is either equal to or worse than the average Phase One movie.

edited 6th Apr '18 8:33:01 AM by Kostya

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84148: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:38:36 AM

"Equal" is about where I'd put it, yes.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#84149: Apr 6th 2018 at 8:41:03 AM

I'd put Superman Returns, Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3, and the Fantastic Four films firmly in the "worse" category. The other films are more in line with early MCU.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84150: Apr 6th 2018 at 11:45:32 AM

I actually like most of the Phase 1 films alright now (I don't think Thor is so bad anymore, and even IM 2 has its good parts, the only one that sucks balls is TIH), but I'm not sure I would go this far.

Yeah. Much as I love the franchise, I find the narrative that good superhero movies didn't exist until the MCU to be annoying.

[up][up][up]For me personally? The only Phase 1 films that I actually find particularly monumental are Iron Man 1 and The Avengers. Captain America, Thor and Iron Man 2 are fun, but I'd easily rank Spider-Man 2, X2, Batman and Batman Returns, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, V for Vendetta and Superman ('78) above them. I'd probably tie them with stuff like Spider-Man and X-Men, movies that were good and perfectly enjoyable, but really just served to pave the way for far better installments down the line.


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