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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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The best part of his origin is that he just read a book on how to use your feet
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"Enjoy turning the pages."
edited 5th Apr '18 9:23:07 PM by comicwriter
I think if there's one movie that's had the most positive influence on the MCU, its Got G. Without it we wouldn't have Thor Ragnarok, and arguably Marvel would have put less faith in lesser known properties like Black Panther or Captain Marvel
GOTG was also arguably the point where Marvel first nailed the idea of giving every series it's own tone and genres. Before that point, the only series doing that was Captain America, and even that one had two largely distinct concepts for each movie. Meanwhile, Thor and Hulk had suffered from trying a bit too much to be safe, traditional superhero/action films and do their own thing at the same time.
What one has to remember regarding the early Marvel movies: They were head and shoulders over what passed as "superhero movie" back then and without them, we would have never gotten the later movies. And yes, a movie like Civil War is more exciting than some origin movie, but you need the origin movie to get to Civil War.
Hopefully the MCU as a whole will be just like Ao S...in that it will just get better and better.
Reading that "bizarrely offensive villains" list, and is it just me, or would Hate-Monger actually work really well in the Netflix shows, especially in the current political climate? Cut out the "literally Hitler" thing and just have him be a former HYDRA guy orchestrating a Ku Klux Klan rally, and he could totally work as a secondary villain.
I actually like most of the Phase 1 films alright now (I don't think Thor is so bad anymore, and even IM 2 has its good parts, the only one that sucks balls is TIH), but I'm not sure I would go this far.
They could use other people for that though. The fake Captain America has had a few dealings with Right-wing Militia Fanatics. I'd like to see him in something.
Which non-MCU movies are better? The only serious competition is The Dark Knight, X-Men 2, and Spider-Man 2. Everything else is either equal to or worse than the average Phase One movie.
edited 6th Apr '18 8:33:01 AM by Kostya
Yeah. Much as I love the franchise, I find the narrative that good superhero movies didn't exist until the MCU to be annoying.
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For me personally? The only Phase 1 films that I actually find particularly monumental are Iron Man 1 and The Avengers. Captain America, Thor and Iron Man 2 are fun, but I'd easily rank Spider-Man 2, X2, Batman and Batman Returns, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, V for Vendetta and Superman ('78) above them. I'd probably tie them with stuff like Spider-Man and X-Men, movies that were good and perfectly enjoyable, but really just served to pave the way for far better installments down the line.

It got opened back up and then got closed again? So many opportunities to say 'Reydi' gone like tears in a swimming pool...
Forever liveblogging the Avengers