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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84101: Apr 5th 2018 at 7:46:47 PM

All of time and space will be your enemy, Avengers

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#84102: Apr 5th 2018 at 7:51:08 PM

So the Tesseract and Eye of Agomotto subsume Thanos's will to become the real villains?

edited 5th Apr '18 7:51:23 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84103: Apr 5th 2018 at 7:59:39 PM

Sure. That sounds right.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84104: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:40:54 PM

The MCU got better after Whedon left because Whedon is an overrated hack and Age of Ultron is still shit. Probably one of my bottom five worst MCU movies, to be honest. Iron Man 3, Thor: The Dark World, The Incredible Hulk, and Doctor Strange are down there too.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Vampfox Since: Nov, 2012
#84105: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:43:44 PM

Whedon is an amazing writer.

Just watch Buffy.

Buffy proves what an amazing writer Joss is.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84106: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:49:35 PM

I'm not about to watch seven seasons of TV to see if Whedon is a good writer, solely going off of the two Avengers movies he's at best decent but way too self absorbed with throwing around dumb quips and at worst he's outright sexist and problematic as all hell.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#84107: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:51:21 PM

I love Avengers but quality-wise a good chunk of the Phase 3 movies are leagues ahead of it, Thor Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Civil War chief among them.

This song needs more love.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84108: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:52:45 PM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84109: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:53:21 PM

Avengers is meh outside of its final act (every single MCU Phase 1 film is more enjoyable to me outside of Incredible Hulk and maybe Iron Man 2), and Ultron is a mess with several problems. Whedon's other work may be stronger, but let's not try and gas up his MCU work as if it's anything all that special.

For real though, you're entitled to your opinion about Whedon, but with all due respect, if all you're gonna do is act like this then there's no point in trying to have a discussion with you. You've been warned about this before.

edited 5th Apr '18 8:54:16 PM by Draghinazzo

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84110: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:53:47 PM

I saw the first season of Buffy and was deeply unimpressed. Regardless, Buffy is off-topic. We’re discussing Whedon’s Avengers films.

The Avengers was an accomplishment, though parts have aged badly, like genetic third-world India scene and the Black Widow sexy chair fight. The characterization is also questionable.

I haven’t yet rewatched Age of Ultron, but, uh... I did not like my first and only viewing of it.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84111: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:54:43 PM

The more time passes between the movies and The Avengers, the more dated it feels. And I mean, I still like it to some extent (and damn it once the big battle starts at the end I giggle like I'm still in high school seeing the movie for the first time), but upon rewatch the dialogue is so much cringier and Whedon doesn't have as good a grip on writing the characters. His Tony is too much of a jackass, his Cap is too grouchy, and his Thor is too dumb (and fuck the "he's adopted" line, that's seriously OOC for Thor).

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#84112: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:55:50 PM

I love Avengers too, it's good but Goddamn have we improved since then.

We have several God-like movies now that Avengers is like middle on the Marvel quality scale.

That's the ideal. Avengers was good for its time and the MCU has been mostly learning and improving since then.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84113: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:56:00 PM

Honestly I have not seen Avnegers since 2012.

So my memory of it is pretty damn fucked.

[up] Indeed that is true. Hopefully Infinity War is like Ultra God-like. [tup]

edited 5th Apr '18 8:56:54 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Vampfox Since: Nov, 2012
#84114: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:57:03 PM

Adric De Psycho there's nothing sexist about Joss work.

Joss is one of the greatest feminists writers of all time.

Sad to see so many evil haters.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84115: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:57:36 PM

That's strawman-y as all hell.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#84116: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:57:53 PM

If you compare either Avengers film to Civil War, both of them look quite lacking in comparison. I know people have had criticisms about the film and many of them are understandable, but IMO its script, character writing and handling, action scenes and depth far surpasses anything Whedon accomplished.

I didn't even care for the first Avengers the first time, and even now with my generally kinder opinions on the MCU I still don't find it that engaging. It has a cool final act, but it doesn't really do anything that gets me that pumped, it has little depth, and a lot of the characterization feels slightly or noticeably off for several characters.

edited 5th Apr '18 9:02:06 PM by Draghinazzo

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84117: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:57:57 PM

[up][up][up] Holy fuck so much dick-sucking.

Honest question: Are you a troll?

Like Widow was handled way better in Winter Soldier & Civil War compared to Joss' handling of her.

edited 5th Apr '18 8:59:43 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Vampfox Since: Nov, 2012
#84118: Apr 5th 2018 at 8:59:26 PM
Thumped: Extreme positions are not tolerated here. We don't care if they're sincere or you're just trolling. Either way, the forums don't need this sort of thing.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84119: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:00:46 PM

[up] So your one of those fans, got it.

There's nothing more annoying than an uber-obssessiv fan. I should know, I have seen & fought them! Verbally of course though.

edited 5th Apr '18 9:02:56 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#84120: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:02:34 PM

[up][up]Sounds like something a troll would say, ngl.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#84121: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:04:09 PM

So, I’m gonna rewatch Guardians tonight and I’m very excited. Haven’t seen it in a while and I am ready for some FUN.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#84122: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:05:13 PM
Thumped: Extreme positions are not tolerated here. We don't care if they're sincere or you're just trolling. Either way, the forums don't need this sort of thing.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#84123: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:06:19 PM

Lets take it easy here.

We just lost the main Star Wars thread. I don't want to lose this one too.

One Strip! One Strip!
Vampfox Since: Nov, 2012
#84124: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:07:41 PM

Adric De Psycho I'm starting to think that you're jealous of Joss the way you keep attacking him.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#84125: Apr 5th 2018 at 9:07:59 PM

I mean I like Rick Remender, Grant Morrison, & Geoff Johns but I won't deny they've had fuck ups.

Both the Millar's are just plain awful though.

[up] The stuff you type is just hilarious.

edited 5th Apr '18 9:08:39 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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