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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83826: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:18:50 PM

Radcliffe is a very fun, very exuberant sort of guy who loves the comic book craziness and silly melodrama, so however he ends up in the MCU - if he does - I'd want to see him do something that lets him channel that. Strange would've been awesome for him, but it's be a more reserved - if highly sarcastic - character, and I really want to see Radcliffe stretch his legs.

Sadly, his most famous role was as a guy who mostly just reacts to other people's personalities. I like Harry, and even I sometimes think the accusations of him not having much of a personality of his own are valid.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83827: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:24:33 PM

wild mass guessSwiss Army Man is canon to the MCU. He is the corpse of one very odd Inhuman, built by a Kree who had way too much time on their hands.wild mass guess

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#83828: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:34:31 PM

Harry is basically a western take on a Shonen protagonist.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#83829: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:35:35 PM

Huh that's an interesting way to put it.

First time I ever heard it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83830: Mar 30th 2018 at 11:38:20 PM

I'm not sure. Most shonen heroes are infamous less for having little traits of their own but for having a single, very strong trait that never changes no matter how far the story goes. Harry's more like a harem anime protagonist.

edited 30th Mar '18 11:38:30 PM by KnownUnknown

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#83831: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:26:11 AM

A pity a man famous for special effects and hiding his true identity can't be Andy Serkis. I'd also do John Noble for Mysterio.

He did a good job as the Scarecrow.

edited 31st Mar '18 4:29:23 AM by CharlesPhipps

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83832: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:34:49 AM

[up][up] I mean... Harry fits that description more or less.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#83833: Mar 31st 2018 at 4:41:03 AM

Oddly, now I'm imagining Captain Britain reimagined as a dorky famous ex-child actor who has a huge amount of wealth but not much else to do with his time so he ends up trying to be a superhero with a power suit he claims was given to him by Merlin.

"Why would Merlin give you a power suit?" "Why WOULDN'T he?"

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#83834: Mar 31st 2018 at 5:36:13 AM

If not Bruce Campbell (who's still my #1 choice to play Mysterio), then Mark Hamill might be a cool choice.

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#83835: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:19:20 AM

To clarify, yes, Nicolas Cage supports the MeToo movement. And yes, he was arrested once for domestic battery.

Apparently he was really drunk and insisting that a place that he and his wife, Alice Kim, were standing in front of was the house they were renting. Kim tried to tell him it wasn't, so he grabbed her by the arm and dragged her towards the house.

Apparently after realizing it wasn't the right place, he tried to get a cab. Onlookers flagged down a police car, and the officer tried to have a talk with Cage. Cage started yelling at the officer, at which point he was taken into custody.

Kim was given a once-over by the responders, who determined that she was okay; there were no physical marks on her arm from the abuse. Nonetheless, Cage was charged with domestic battery for having done it in the first place, as well as a charge of disturbing the peace.

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#83836: Mar 31st 2018 at 8:50:15 AM

Cosnidering His crazy acting, being charged for Domestic Battery doesn't surprise me.

After all, he dressed up in a bear costume to punch out a crazy village lady in The Wicker Man remake, after all.

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#83837: Mar 31st 2018 at 9:38:34 AM

One thing I'm hoping for in Infinity War is that the movie has Thor as the character with the biggest arc (Besides Thanos)

I'm just hoping to see Thor combine the powers of Stormbreaker and the mastery of his powers in Ragnarok and decimate Thanos' army and the Black Order while "The Immigrant Song" plays.

edited 31st Mar '18 10:53:20 AM by ReynTime250

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#83838: Mar 31st 2018 at 11:18:59 AM

That's a hyperbolic claim that removing her wouldn't change anything in the movie (really there's a stronger case with Darcy or Selvig) but she at least is something in the first movie. In The Dark World she's a plot device to store the Macguffin.
No, I was being serious when I said you could remove her from the movie entirely and it wouldn't change anything. The only role she has is being friends with Thor (it's supposed to be romance, but there's zero chemistry there except "she thinks he's fucking hot", and little evidence that Thor returns her feelings, though of course we're supposed to understand that he does), and that was honestly done better by Selvig than Jane. He at least knows something about Norse mythology so understands what it means that he's Thor.

Being a Macguffin storage device is a step up in terms of plot significance from the first movie. You could literally drop her from the first movie and what little role she had would be picked up by Selvig with no problems whatsoever.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#83839: Mar 31st 2018 at 11:53:34 AM

Or you could drop Selvig, give Jane most of his role, and downplay her romance with Thor. That would have been a better direction.

Maybe have Jane remain the one who's knowledgable of the science related to the bifrost, and have Darcy be knowledgeable about mythology.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#83840: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:02:11 PM

True, you could do it the other way around as well, though that would involve larger changes to the movie. As-is, Selvig has a better, more developed connection to Thor than Jane does.

Which I'm honestly pretty okay with? There's no reason that Thor's Earthling pal has to be an attractive young woman, and Thor forming a genuine friendship with someone who can't fight and he doesn't want to fuck would be a better indication of character development than anything we actually got. (Although Selvig does go out drinking with him, which is traditionally the third thing Thor cares about, so maybe not.)

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#83841: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:08:23 PM

Making a character into a walking MacGuffin with no lines for a third of the movie is kind of a huge step down when using her.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#83842: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:10:53 PM

Famously, Natalie Portman was forced to do that movie due to the fact they had gotten her under contract by promising her friend would direct then after she was under contract, fired her friend. So she wasn't in a very happy mood for TDW no matter what.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83843: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:16:16 PM

Said friend was Patty Jenkins, who later went on to direct Wonder Woman.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:16:54 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#83844: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:17:08 PM

And that's the other thing that pisses me off about the movie.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#83845: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:26:09 PM

In another timeline Jenkins directed Dark World and Wonder Woman was directed by someone else resulting in the film bombing

I'm just glad this timeline is the one with the decent Woman Woman film.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83846: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:28:49 PM

Or maybe she'd get hired for both. Whedon got to direct both Avengers and Justice League with no inter-company drama. Or, you know, there's more than one good woman director in the world, after all, and Woman Woman would still be great.

edited 31st Mar '18 12:31:43 PM by Tuckerscreator

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#83847: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:29:23 PM

Given how she handled Diana and Steve Trevor, I'm pretty sure that Jenkins could have probably made the Thor/Jane dynamic feel more interesting/convincing than Alan Taylor did.

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#83848: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:32:22 PM

> Whedon got to direct both Avengers and Justice League with no inter-company drama. Or, you know, there's more than one good woman director in the world, perhaps?

Whedon got to direct both because he's a big name directer by all accounts,Patty Jekins wouldn't have been offered the same deal because..reasons.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#83849: Mar 31st 2018 at 12:38:12 PM

It's really just a question of how much time passes between films and whether there's any sort of non-compete clause in contracts.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#83850: Mar 31st 2018 at 1:31:43 PM

[up] Non-compete clauses are basically unheard of in Hollywood, at least in terms of actors/directors . The reason people rarely work on major franchises for different studios at the same time is generally a scheduling issue.

And really Marvel/DC don't really have any special rivalry when it comes to the actual companies. Sure they are in competition, but Marvel wouldn't care about on of their directors making a film for DC any more then they would making a film for Paramount.

edited 31st Mar '18 1:34:08 PM by Falrinn


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