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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
They could have interrogated one in Infinity War
"Who is Thanos? How do we stop him?"
-Chitauri laughter-
Twenty bucks says that We don't want to kill you but we will part is Natasha talking to Tony.
And yeah, I can buy Sam not being a big fan of Tony or T'challa...well, more Tony because he's Tony Stark.
I'm not actually clear on why he would dislike T'challa.
One Strip! One Strip!Late to this, but my main problem with the whole Clint and Natasha subplot is that it mostly just works in Nat's favor. Clint meanwhile spends most of the film brainwashed and contributes very little outside of giving Natasha something to angst over, to the point where he feels like a satellite character, so I don't have much of a reason to care about him for his own sake.
edited 29th Mar '18 9:48:42 AM by Draghinazzo
It saddens me that the guy who saved the universe with a simple carny trick and was so awesome, he became a member of the Justice League (he's part of a super hero team from a different company) is considered so irrelevant.
It's also rather frustrating. Hawkeye should have more respect than that.
One Strip! One Strip!He's also a serial sexual harasser so.
That aside, he gets a good showing in Age of Ultron and even to a lesser extent Civil War. Its understandable that something had to give in Avengers and unfortunately it was arrow guy who got sidelined.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWHAT?! WHEN!? I WANT VIDEO PROOF OF THIS!!!!
I never even heard of such a thing.
One Strip! One Strip!Would you accept panel proof
◊ because we are talking about a comic character?
I mean its down to differing cultural norms I guess and people really should have known better but here we are. Hawkeye not infrequently forces kisses on women or stalks them to California to beat up their Daredevil boyfriend in front of them to try to win them back. He ragequit the Avengers once because Scarlet Witch decided she liked Vision and clearly there was no reason to hang around if he couldn't try to score.
Dude could be a creep. I think in more current times he's so 'pot of cold coffee to get through the day' that he's more about terrible choice in women and inability to emotionally connect rather than harassment.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWhedon talks on the Avengers commentary track about how he had originally written much more material for Hawkeye in his early drafts. But as he worked with Marvel to edit it down, a lot of it got cut out and what we ended up with was the only way that he could think of to keep Hawkeye involved. He also said that he felt kind of bad that Jeremy Renner got so much less to do than the others.
If anything, Hawkeye's role in AOU felt almost like Whedon's apology to Renner for that. Heck he even had Hawkeye be the only team member not mind-tricked by Wanda, and Clint even outmaneuvered her when she tried.
The farm was one of the better bits of the movie, if you ignore the poorly conveyed Bruce/Natasha scene.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat's implied to be deliberate. The film knows that Loki's plan is shit; that's why everyone and their dog gets a chance to tell him so to his face. The characters discuss repeatedly that Loki is not behaving like a rational actor and that there is no actual win condition for him in all this. Meanwhile, the Other straight-up tortures him and he stands there and takes it like an abused dog who knows his place.
Loki likes to talk in the film like his plan is to use the Cube as a bargaining chip, but his actual plan is, "Maybe if I retrieve this artifact for my Master, he'll give me a treat and he won't burn my face again."
Thanos is the villain in Avengers 1. Loki's his emissary. The Silver Surfer to his Galactus.
Because the other members of the team had five movies' worth of character development but those two had yet to receive any onscreen focus.
Immediately before that, he and the others were having a high-stress screaming match about how Everyone Except Me Sucks, amplified by Loki's Staff. Then he took an explosion to the face. You try keeping your heart rate at a manageable level under those conditions.
No, the part that stands out as awkward and doesn't really work is the line, "I'm always angry," and subsequent controlled transformation. It seems to imply that Banner has attained a mastery over his transformation, which proves untrue in previous movies, in this movie, and in subsequent movies.
One thing that I think would have made this work better is if Cap had unresolved issues towards Howard and was screaming at Tony as a proxy. Because Tony's his father's son, and Steve sees all the stuff he didn't like about Howard in Tony.
Tony resents Steve because he blames him for his father's obsessions resulting in the absence of affection he received growing up, and he got sick of hearing about how great Steve was. Steve resents Tony because he thought Howard was an asshole and just sees Tony as Howard Stark Mk.II.
Bonus points if Steve actually calls Tony "Howard" during the screaming match, resulting in a reaction shot where everyone stops and processes what he just said.
But, regrettably, they didn't go that route.
EDIT: Ooh, and then it could have come back up during Civil War. "Steve hid the truth about my parents from me because Bucky's his friend but he always hated my dad."
edited 29th Mar '18 11:53:35 AM by TobiasDrake
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I actually like that Black Widow and Hawkeye got good character moments. If not here, where?
I don't really buy the argument that they haven't been built up enough to have these moments because the movie effectively conveys how much Hawkeye means to Natasha.
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