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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#83501: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:01:37 AM

I thought it was perfect casting. I can't imagine anyone else in the role. He looks identical.

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#83502: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:02:52 AM

I can imagine a couple people as Doctor Strange.

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#83503: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:03:14 AM

Yeah, DS has problems but I'd never say casting for the lead role was problematic.

edited 24th Mar '18 12:03:27 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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#83504: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:04:34 AM

Didn't Downey play Sherlock in a movie or something?

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#83505: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:06:27 AM

Cumberbatch was too safe and obvious of a choice to play the character. His acting in the film isn't even exceptional. He doesn't own the character like Downey and Evans own their own characters. I blame the writing partially but Cumberbatch hasn't done anything to make me think the role couldn't have been played by someone else.

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#83506: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:07:02 AM

Pedro Pascal was always my preferred Dr. Strange actor.

Though I would've also accepted Ewan Mc Gregor.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83507: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:09:45 AM

I will agree he suffers from the Di Caprio problem of being the second-best choice for a lot of the roles he's picked for (including Strange) note  I wouldn't say he was bad either. He's okay. Not spectacular, but pretty good.

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#83508: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:10:46 AM

The moment I lost all hope was season 3, because there's two whole episodes devoted to Sherlock and Watson fucking around and the final one starts off really interestingly with one of the series's best villains but he beats Sherlock... who just shoots him in the head. And essentially suffers zero consequences. Because by this point they'd given up trying to write plots.

That was how Sherlock beat him. He realized that Magnussen's plan had a single point of failure: Magnussen himself. He had no backups, no stored information, no cohorts to carry out his goals, not even so much as a leakable paper trail that might get out if he died. The opposite of Moriarty and his complex network of criminal conspirators, Magnussen was a one-man show, carrying out his plans purely through his own brilliance with not a shred of physical evidence to tie them back to him.

It was the perfect plan except for one thing: no evidence or conspirators or backup contingencies means there is literally no risk in just taking him out. His entire plot revolved around blackmail materials that don't exist, around applying leverage to people by threatening to publicize copies of sensitive documents that only exist in his mind palace. Magnussen himself is the flaw in his own plan, because it can't even exist without his mind.

So Sherlock replaced that mind with a bullet, and Magnussen's entire overarching web of leverage unraveled in the span of a gunshot. He was so busy winning the chess game that he could not conceive the idea of an opponent flipping the board.

As should be evident, I have seen Sherlock. I get where Cumberbatch was coming from on that, but I don't think he phrased it very well. A better phrasing might have been,

"Is he autistic? Well, not intentionally so, if he is. That wasn't really what I was going for. I was going for more of an amoral, sociopathic asshole with poor social skills. Given the circumstances, I'm not sure I'd really be comfortable saying, 'Well, he's autistic; that's why he's an unlikable shit-weasel.'"

edited 24th Mar '18 12:11:41 AM by TobiasDrake

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#83509: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:13:07 AM

[up] but then all the tension is friggin deflated. I would have been totally fine with Sherlock just losing this one and Magnusson being a recurring enemy (he was far more compelling than the show's version of Moriarty as a gibbering baboon) But from this point on, if Sherlock is dumb enough to have to resort to actively shooting his enemies but also suffers no consequences from such because they still need him... then what's the point? What's to stop all of his encounters ending like that?

It isn't even good for a moral shock because Sherlock's been a complete psychopath note  since the show started. John shooting Magnusson would have been interesting because that would be a break point for John. Sherlock failing to shoot Magnusson because his experiences have caused him to become a better person would have been interesting. But the show went for the dumbest and least interesting possible resolution that shows that none of these characters have changed at all since it started.

edited 24th Mar '18 12:17:23 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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#83510: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:19:36 AM

The fact that most of his encounters can't be so neatly and easily resolved the way Magnussen can is to stop him. Magnussen was unique in that not only was his plan completely and entirely dependent on his continued survival but also that literally everyone in the highest echelons of the British hierarchy utterly hated his guts and only tolerated him for fear of what dirty secrets he might publish from his "secret vault".

Like. Sherlock couldn't have just shot Moriarty. In fact, Moriarty shooting himself made the situation very much worse. He couldn't have just shot the invisible man with the invisible knife at John's wedding. He could have just shot the cabbie and, in fact, John did; if you want to get technical, the boys have been getting away with literal murder since episode 1. For Sherlock Holmes, a gun is a problem-solving when the need arises, but every tool has its place.

edited 24th Mar '18 12:20:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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#83511: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:23:58 AM

Y'all mind taking this somewhere else that's more on-topic?

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#83512: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:43:21 AM

Changing the subject a bit, I recently got Thor: Ragnarok on DVD and after watching it again I'm happy to say it's held up quite well as a fun, 80s-flavored adventure that had me entertained from start to finish. Definitely the best Thor movie AND the best Hulk movie to date, as it would happen. Only quibbles I could think of are that Hela could stand to be fleshed out more and some jokes were ill-timed (particularly Korg's remarks while Asgard is destroyed).

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#83514: Mar 24th 2018 at 10:13:32 AM

its OK because he didn't want the spotlight anyway!

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#83515: Mar 24th 2018 at 10:15:28 AM

Some new IW footage.

I love Tony knighting Peter.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#83516: Mar 24th 2018 at 11:01:02 AM

So long as there are no references to first night privileges, I’m fine with this.

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#83517: Mar 24th 2018 at 11:39:19 AM

Little girl Monica Rambeau could be an interesting prospect, although I'm not sure how much she would factor in if most of the events take place in space. Given it's the 90s though, if she's a little girl it's the right amount of time for her to reappear in the present as a person inspired by Carol to become a superhero in her own right, although I would rather that not cut into Kamala's own story if it can be helped.

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#83518: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:16:59 PM

Maybe they're turning Monica and Kamala into a Composite Character.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#83519: Mar 24th 2018 at 12:18:53 PM

With Monica being younger than Carol, she doesn't necessarily have to idolize her or anything. Though I wonder if something happens to her mom in the film that explains why Monica has powers as an adult.

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#83520: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:22:52 PM

Black Panther is responsible for almost half of the movie tickets sold so far this year[1]

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#83521: Mar 24th 2018 at 1:30:47 PM

I'd say "over a third" is more accurate than "almost half" but that's still crazily impressive.

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#83522: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:00:22 PM

[up]x4 that would be insulting to both characters. I love Kamala Khan, and I hope to see her on the big screen or at least on a TV show someday. Taking pieces of her story to change Monica’s would be boneheaded and disrespectful.

I will also point out that Arabic actors and actresses regularly complain about almost always being stuck to terrorism related roles. It’s a pretty big problem, like Latino characters being forced to almost always be a gangbanger or the maid.

edited 24th Mar '18 2:00:54 PM by wisewillow

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#83523: Mar 24th 2018 at 2:47:34 PM

Yeah they're different enough that you don't really have to worry about overlap. Plus Ms. Marvel is likely gonna get her own movie at some point.

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#83524: Mar 24th 2018 at 4:34:58 PM

Another new Infinity War spot. This one is kinda spooky.

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