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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83476: Mar 23rd 2018 at 8:58:07 PM

Obviously a ton of people died getting lost in the wilderness when their compasses pointed south instead of north.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#83477: Mar 23rd 2018 at 8:58:07 PM

I always wanted to have a mutant really really hate Magneto while the X-men were always defending him and then mention it's because his human family died in one of his random "Unless X mutants are freed and the world is turned over to me, I will shut off the power across the United States" events ala Fatal Attraction.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83478: Mar 23rd 2018 at 9:01:16 PM

Hasn't Magneto been a good guy for the past few years?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#83479: Mar 23rd 2018 at 9:11:01 PM

Yes.

Though who knows since Emma Frost has thrown out TWENTY YEARS of being a good guy recently.

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#83480: Mar 23rd 2018 at 9:15:31 PM

Emma Frost and Magneto are both in the same boat where they don't really become good guys as much as keep being themselves but now they're hanging out with the X-Men. And slightly toned down. Magneto tried not to murder people in front of the New Mutants and Emma tries not to steal Iceman's body more than necessary.

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Eldritcho Since: Nov, 2016
#83481: Mar 23rd 2018 at 10:27:48 PM

Honestly, generation X and maybe Astonishing X-men are the only books in which Emma Frost can be considered a "good guy". Most every one of her other appearances has her acting the same way she did when she was the White Queen, only now it's ok because she's a member of the X-men. At least Magneto went to trial and renounced his villainous ways (even if he did go back on them later).

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#83482: Mar 23rd 2018 at 10:59:36 PM

I do find it bizarre how people find it okay to hate actors .-.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#83483: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:01:46 PM

Cumberbatch is ableist, I have a reason to dislike him.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#83484: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:06:46 PM

Hmm, I don't think I have heard him saying that eugenics should be practiced to wipe out all humans with disabilities?

That would be valid reason to hate a person though indeed [lol]

edited 23rd Mar '18 11:10:27 PM by SpookyMask

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#83485: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:09:50 PM

No but he did make insulting comments about autistic people where he talked about how he didn't want to give "false hope" to people on the autism spectrum by having the various quirky characters he played labelled as being autistic. Which of course gives off the nasty and condescending implication that people on the spectrum such as myself are all helpless and unable to get anywhere in the world.

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#83486: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:13:09 PM

Hmm, so the guy makes insensitive comments that are easy to intepret in pretty horrible ways?

I mean, to me that sounds like "Oh, I played the character quirky, but script and writers never told me they were autistic, so I don't want to make audience get their hopes up about representation in case it turns out later that show makes it very clear character isn't on the spectrum"? Then again, I'm being in "I like debating" mood so who knows. I do feeling like that is assuming extra hostility and intent than what was said though.

edited 23rd Mar '18 11:14:10 PM by SpookyMask

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#83488: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:17:14 PM

Hmm, yeah, those sound like they come from prejudicous(sp?) person who lived with their preconceived ideas for years without anybody calling out on them. That is enough stuff I can see people hating on the guy yeah

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#83489: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:17:51 PM

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No, that's not what he said. He was referring to people who were labeling his characters as being autistic, namely Sherlock Holmes and his portrayal of Alan Turing in that one movie nobody remembers anymore.

edited 23rd Mar '18 11:18:00 PM by AdricDePsycho

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#83490: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:20:48 PM

Hmm, haven't seen either of those, but I thought I heard that his version of Sherlock was a sociopath?

Anyhoo, doesn't really matter much since we did reach agreement that he has said enough shit that I can see why he gets hate [lol]

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#83492: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:26:49 PM

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Honestly I don't know what his Sherlock is on that show, everything about it sounds garbage anyways.

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edited 23rd Mar '18 11:27:52 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#83493: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:39:07 PM

[up] It's a matter of opinion though.

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#83494: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:40:05 PM

Yes, like almost everything on here. I don't see how that's important.

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#83495: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:50:12 PM

I've seen the first two seasons of Sherlock, and I thought it was pretty good.

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#83496: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:51:55 PM

Hbomberguy video link in 3, 2...

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83498: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:55:48 PM

Sherlock's okay to start with but it went off track basically because they forgot it was supposed to be a detective show and became more obsessed with pandering to the fans and letting Sherlock do whatever the hell he felt like. Essentially it became post-season 5 new Doctor Who.

The moment I lost all hope was season 3, because there's two whole episodes devoted to Sherlock and Watson fucking around and the final one starts off really interestingly with one of the series's best villains but he beats Sherlock... who just shoots him in the head. And essentially suffers zero consequences. Because by this point they'd given up trying to write plots.

[up] That video sums up a lot of it though there's also some bits I don't quite agree with, it should be said.

I'd also say that while he's totally right that Moffat let the Doctor expand and take over the show... he more or less staved it off from ruining the show for the first season he had (season 5) and those elements were also totally present before he became showrunner.

edited 24th Mar '18 12:06:32 AM by Sigilbreaker26

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#83499: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:55:48 PM

Dare I say, something about Dr. Strange being tortured in the second IW trailer brought a devilish smile to my face. Something something reference to a certain meme?

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#83500: Mar 23rd 2018 at 11:58:25 PM

Cumberbatch was completely miscast as Doctor Strange so to be honest I didn't feel anything.

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