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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#83376: Mar 22nd 2018 at 12:48:03 PM

I don't have a preference. I don't care which of the two gets it.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#83377: Mar 22nd 2018 at 12:54:12 PM

I'm also open to both having the identity. I think my preference though would be Sam as Captain America and Bucky wearing something like the Citizen V costume (but with fewer American flags on it), and having some dialogue referencing him using the Nomad name too.

I say that because the Citzen V costume is cool, and there's already precedent in giving a hero character the costume of a villain-pretending-to-be-a-hero in Rhoades wearing the Iron Patriot armor. And more importantly, although he isn't wearing a mask in Wakanda, Bucky seems to me like someone who would want to keep his face hidden if he's operating anywhere that SHIELD/The U.S. government/ Tony Stark is around.

And this is also assuming Bucky doesn't start wearing the White Wolf costume (which I kind of doubt will happen, although that would also be cool).

edited 22nd Mar '18 12:54:51 PM by Hodor2

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83378: Mar 22nd 2018 at 12:55:36 PM

Citizen V is Zemo's thing though.

And yes I know the Zemo here is unlikely to wear it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#83379: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:03:32 PM

Actually, Steve was a giant middle-finger towards the Nazis....the "arian ideal" fighting for everything the Nazi's despise.

And not because he was created in 1941 where a comic starring a nonwhite lead wouldn't so much as even be considered. Let alone, how heavyset people were treated in comics back then.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#83380: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:11:36 PM

I'd like Sam to become cap, but Sam would first need his own movie to get some character development. As he honestly the least developped of the Avengers, and honestly, more of a follower than a leader. Having a film where he gets to rise to the role and then get the mantle? Sure.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83381: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:12:17 PM

[up][up]I think it's mainly the "blond hair/blue eyes" thing that takes it to an intentional Take That!.

I don't think Captain America should continue if Steve dies. I think the title should die with him, same with Thor.

edited 22nd Mar '18 1:12:40 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83382: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:19:43 PM

Honestly, I don't want anyone to get it because in 9 of 10 cases I think that legacy characters are stupid (at least regarding Marvel....DC is a little bit more complicated). There is only one Steve Rogers and for me, he will always be the only Captain America. Everyone else is just a weak cope.

The whole Captain Marvel thing is complicated because the main reason why so many characters used the name was so that Marvel could keep the title away from DC, forcing them to use Shazam instead.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#83383: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:22:14 PM

I strongly disagree. While Steve is the original/definitive Cap, Sam’s run in the comics as Cap had some great moments. And again, I think you’re disregarding the symbolic weight to Sam as Cap.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83384: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:22:33 PM

Let us all hope we don't get Jane Thor.

Because by God if I hear Chris Hemsworth utter the words "Just call me Odinson" I will scream.

edited 22nd Mar '18 1:24:26 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83385: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:25:59 PM

Agreed with Swanpride. I'm usually only a fan of legacy characters if it's someone created for the sole purpose of being a legacy character, like Terry McGinnis or Miles Morales, or if it's someone who was built up and groomed to replace that character for most of their screentime, like most sidekicks. Most of the time, the title should die with the character.

edited 22nd Mar '18 1:26:33 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#83386: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:27:55 PM

It could still work if Thor decided to stay in...whatever place the Asgardians are going to settle in. New Asgard or whatever. And be King Thor or whatever there and gave Jane the power to be Thor on Earth.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83387: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:32:11 PM

I’ve thought once or twice about an film where Jane split from Thor due to her cancer but then acquires the pieces of Thor’s hammer and gains new powers.

edited 22nd Mar '18 1:32:25 PM by Tuckerscreator

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83388: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:35:24 PM

As long as he doesn't stop calling himself Thor.

Especially as Ragnarok has shown that the power never came from the hammer, it was Thor's power through & through.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83389: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:35:56 PM

Eh....

But then, I am one of the few people on earth who never were into Natalie Portman's acting. No matter what, I just find her bland. And yes, that includes Black Swan. I am totally into Ballet, but I just can't get through the movie because she bores me so much.

And yes, I know that this is an outlier opinion.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83390: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:42:38 PM

Another reason why I prefer Sam over Bucky is because Steve's an artifact of another time. Having Steve pass the mantle to Sam is an acknowledgment that Captain America's not just an avatar of cultural values that America's forgotten. It's an act of Steve recognizing that the ideals he believes in and upholds are alive and well in the modern day, in men like Sam.

[tup]

Bucky is a good guy, and probably wouldn't be a bad Cap (and I think he was pretty good when he held the title himself, though I don't know), but this is the top reason Sam should hold it.

One Strip! One Strip!
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#83391: Mar 22nd 2018 at 1:44:12 PM

[up]I agree.

I love Jane as a character in the MCU, but we don’t need her to return as Thor. Let Valkyrie get some giant ass weapon and her own solo movie grin

edited 22nd Mar '18 1:44:22 PM by wisewillow

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83392: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:03:56 PM

I understand the meaning of the symbolical gesture, and I also understand that it apparently worked great in the comics, but I don't look at this from the perspective of a comic book fan. I see it from the perspective of the MCU as a body of work. Here is the problem with Cap dying in the first place:

1. We spend just three movies of Cap finding "home" again - and finding said home in Bucky. Cap now dying would be like killing off the Asgardians at the start of Infinity war. You could do it, but it would just anger an audience which has invested in those characters and wants them to have at least a period of happy end.

2. Comic book readers are used to legacy characters, but the general audience is not. Now add to this that in the MCU, barely anyone even uses their code names. Cap isn't just called Cap because he was at one point in some propaganda show, but because he is a genuine Captain, both in the war and later for the Avengers. And is Falcon the natural new leader for the Avengers? If Black Panther weren't around, maybe, but so far Sam has been mostly presented as someone who is comfortable to follow the lead of someone else.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#83393: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:14:13 PM

Black Panther, Black Widow, and Ant-Man are Legacy Character

Huh, all animals.

Continue writing our story of peace.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83394: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:16:34 PM

[up]Miles Morales and Joaquin Torres confirmed?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83395: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:18:51 PM

[up][up] Black Panther is a Legacy character? Doesn't feel that way. Nor does Black Widow. Scott naturally is one, except that we have never really seen his mentor in action.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#83396: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:19:30 PM

Legacy characters can be interesting, so I wouldn't mind if Steve ended up handing the title of Captain America to Sam, but I'm not bothered if the title dies with Steve, should it ever come to that.

Jane Thor could be interesting to adapt as long as Thor gets to keep his name (because TBH I always thought it was dumb that Thor had to give up his own name in the comics when Jane became Thor) but I can't see it happening in the MCU, since didn't Natalie Portman not want to do any more MCU movies? Not that they couldn't adapt that storyline for another character, of course.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83397: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:20:37 PM

[up][up] You do know who T'Challa's dad was right?

Also I think Black Widow may be a code name used before.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#83398: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:21:30 PM

I keep reading Back Widow as Black Window

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83399: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:22:16 PM

There was a previous 1940s Black Widow in Agent Carter.

edited 22nd Mar '18 2:22:38 PM by Tuckerscreator

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#83400: Mar 22nd 2018 at 2:37:04 PM

So I just heard about a theory in regards to the Stones:

The Tesseract, the Aether, the Eye of Agamotto (as a Necklace), and Orb (that held the Power Stone) and Loki's Sceptre.

Or to be more precise: Tesseract, Aether, Necklace, Orb, and Sceptre.

Now this is either the biggest coincidence ever, or a well planned clue, but either way, all we're missing is an H.

One Strip! One Strip!

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