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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#83301: Mar 21st 2018 at 1:25:09 PM

Indeed. Though I have to wonder if a Batman villain wouldn't rate Man of Steel higher simply to spite Batman. tongue

edited 21st Mar '18 1:25:48 PM by Eagal

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83304: Mar 21st 2018 at 3:52:19 PM

Thanks.

I especially like the very end of it btw. It is such a nice gesture to thank Marvel.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#83305: Mar 21st 2018 at 5:10:41 PM

"He isn't back-sliding in Civil War...quite the opposite, he is overshooting in the opposite direction. "

It is stil sliging back: he is trying to control everything and everyone because a misplaced sense of personal guilt and blow up everything like he always do, is the same tony of Iron man 2 and AOU, he learn nothng from before.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#83308: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:02:55 PM

Has anyone done a Shining meme with Thanos as Jack and Vision as his wife yet?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83309: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:37:32 PM

You know, given how various interviews have said stuff like: "Vision's story is like a horror movie" and "Hawkeye's story is a journey of self-reflection" combined with the sheer number of characters in this film, I can't help but wonder if Infinity War is going to pull off all these drastically different arcs without invoking Mood Whiplash.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83310: Mar 22nd 2018 at 12:21:10 AM

I'm not...Civil War had a political argument, a personal conflict, an underlying theme of revenge and still managed to put a "smash all the toys in the toys box together" fun battle.

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#83312: Mar 22nd 2018 at 7:37:22 AM

...oh dear. RIP Cap? Or he could just retire, but... I dunno...

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83313: Mar 22nd 2018 at 7:46:31 AM

Oh, please. He took a role in a play. That is hardly a long-lasting commitment.

After Avengers 4, there will first be a Spider-Man and a Got G movie. Last official quote I heard from Chris Evans was "if they want me, they get me". The question here is if Marvel wants him, and they won't reveal this before Avengers 4 is in Theaters to not spoil anything.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#83314: Mar 22nd 2018 at 7:55:06 AM

Yeah I'm pretty much expecting Cap and Tony to both die. Possibly at the same time and possibly in a vague enough way for them to comic book their way back to life.

This song needs more love.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#83315: Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:25:48 AM

Maybe they could copy the Bolivian Army Ending from The Thanos Imperative, where they supposedly sacrifice themselves to stop Thanos, but it's unclear if they're really gone or not.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83316: Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:34:59 AM

I'd be down for that

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:35:11 AM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83317: Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:48:48 AM

Nah, I expect Tony to die and Cap to survive...and that they do the famous panel from the Death of Captain America, jut switched around. Either that or Cap die in Infinity war but then Tony screws around with Time in Avengers 4 which leads to him dying in Caps place.

Even though Marvel has already options in place to replace Cap if necessary, they have written the character so well that there is still a lot they can explore with him. And in a lot of ways he is actually not replaceable. (and remember, the main reason why Chris Evans didn't have a nine movie deal all along was because he refused to commit to more than six).

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:49:48 AM by Swanpride

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#83318: Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:50:37 AM

I can see both going out in the end, brother in arms, allá Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. It Has Been an Honor and all.

edited 22nd Mar '18 8:50:45 AM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83319: Mar 22nd 2018 at 8:59:38 AM

"Since we're about to die, are we friends now, Steve?"

"Geez I don't know if now is the time for an emotionally cathartic conversation, Tony"

"THEN WHEN"

edited 22nd Mar '18 9:00:21 AM by Bocaj

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#83320: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:03:01 AM

Steve's last words: "I guess?"

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#83321: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:03:53 AM

If Tony dies we will run out of problems for heroes to solve!

Continue writing our story of peace.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83322: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:06:04 AM

Like a devoted spouse or parent, Tony has done the equivalent of making a month worth of meals before going on a trip

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#83323: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:11:06 AM

As much as I don't like it, I think that of the two, Steve is way more likely to die- due to a combination of Evans longstanding interest in moving on, RDJ being the center of the films for better or worse, and there being two characters primed to take on the mantle of Captain America.

And while maybe not the best example, since it's not a great movie, but with Ultron, AOU showed that the MCU avoids revolving door mortality, despite the fact that it's a common thing in comics, even when it's basically a character's entire shtick.

My prediction is that Thanos will kill Steve and maybe depower him first, such that Steve and Tony's last conversation will riff on that dialogue in the first movie about him being nothing but the serum.

Edit- In terms of a scene of Steve going out fighting despite being depowered, I'm torn because I really like the scene leading up to Secret Empire where Crossbones is close to killing Steve, and you see Steve's life basically flash before his eyes before he gets repowered via Cosmic Cube and then mops the floor with Crossbones. It's a great scene and it would be awesome to see that with Steve and everyone else beating up Thanos (vaguely reminds me of the ending of Fullmetal Alchemist).

However, of couse that scene in the comics was the prelude to revealing that Steve was a Nazi. So, not sure if it's a great panel to imitate on screen.

edited 22nd Mar '18 9:24:02 AM by Hodor2

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83324: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:17:29 AM

[up] Disagree....due to a combination of RDJ aging out of the role, the insane salary they have to pay for him and because it simply makes sense on a narrative level, Tony is way more likely to die. As I said, Chris Evans really changed his tune regarding his role, plus, there is no need to have him as a lead character around. I think that he will be very ready to reprise the role every few years as long as he gets enough room for his own project and his family. And yes, Marvel has planned for Cap dying, just in case he wouldn't be available - but if you listen to Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie it doesn't sound like they will replace him anytime soon.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#83325: Mar 22nd 2018 at 9:19:32 AM

Although I doubt the MCU would do this either, but I halfway wonder if the movies would kill both Tony and Steve, but bring Tony back as that hologram AI like he was recently in the comics

And don't bring back Steve, but instead have (hopefully) Falcon take over the identity.


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