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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83276: Mar 20th 2018 at 3:44:24 PM

IMO, my perfect Fantastic Four movie has them having been active for a long time, but have been lost for decades during some kind of adventure - either they went into space and never came back, or they went into the Negative Zone and weren't able to return, etc. The story would be a classic Fantastic Four cosmic exploration or adventure film as they find their way back home.

Meanwhile, Dr. Doom has been dormant since their disappearance, holed up in Latveria and up to unknown machinations while waiting for the Four to resurface. This gives him the opportunity to be mentioned or influence other heroes' stories while the Four make their way back for the grand, final confrontation with him (perhaps in an eventual big crossover movie).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83278: Mar 20th 2018 at 5:59:19 PM

I really wish we'd get more advertisements of the heroes in their masks.

Its not like people are suddenly gonna forget their faces.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83279: Mar 20th 2018 at 7:15:08 PM

It's probably for the actors to better emote.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#83280: Mar 20th 2018 at 8:50:13 PM

When a large part of the appeal of the MCU has been the connection the audience has with the characters, it makes sense that they'd be unmasked.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#83281: Mar 20th 2018 at 9:02:17 PM

Yeah but masks are cooler.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83282: Mar 20th 2018 at 9:30:08 PM

@Hammer and Anvil

You missed the best part, where they break out of prison and find an injured alien. Hammer shoots him but turns out that this alien can heal himself with lead and he thanks them for saving his life. He decides to replace the chain connecting them with an unbreakable metal tether that gives them super-strength as thanks, misunderstanding the meaning of the chain connecting them as a sign of a deep friendship between the two men.

Their starting story involves Hammer's father, who loves him but believes he belongs in prison (and that's the only part necessary for an updated version). Their relationship evolves over time from, as I said, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork to Vitriolic Best Buds to Ambiguously Bi. They're also potential comedic gold, as their origin story demonstrates and their interactions show.

Let me be clear: I was not saying they should get their own show. I do, however, think they could work really well as recurring antagonists in an already established show.

edited 20th Mar '18 9:31:10 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#83283: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:25:27 AM

" think that Tony is his most interesting in Civil War. "

He is but I find marvel is overealing on him being a mess to the point is getting a little bit annoying, between AOY and CW, is not hard to said that Tony stark is not marvel more recurrent antagonist a this point.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#83284: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:26:35 AM

Yeah.

Honestly, I think his character arc is so perfect in the original Iron Man that I've seen every movie since as backsliding from that in some way.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#83285: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:40:39 AM

[up]I like it in Iron man 3, see him coming on the top by only is smarts and not ove realing in his suit was really sweet for me, it was a bold move we dont see so often in Marvel.

Compare to that every other movie is one way of another to said "Im tellnig guys, THIS is going to work, I promise...oh not, it didnt work"

I kind expect him to build the death star on of this days.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#83286: Mar 21st 2018 at 6:48:05 AM

I don't really think Stark has a complete character arc in Iron Man 1. He goes from a genius billionaire who pays attention to his playboy lifestyle rather than the wider world, to a genius billionaire taking an interest in making the world a better place, but he's still short-sighted and reckless. Iron Man 2 is essentially him maturing — he starts to realize that short-term actions have long-term consequences, and he can't just wing it and expect everything to work out well for everyone every time. Iron Man 3 is him suffering from the consequences of his heroism — him coming to grips with the fact that him doing the right thing has real, personal costs — and deciding to follow through with it anyway.

Or, tldr, Iron Man 1 is "man, I've been a jerk, I should be a hero instead", Iron Man 2 is "okay, being a hero is more complicated than I thought, I need to start thinking things through instead of constantly going off half-cocked", and Iron Man 3 "holy crap, being a hero can suck sometimes... but I'm not doing this for me, so I'll accept the consequences of being a hero for the sake of the people relying on me".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83287: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:34:50 AM

He isn't back-sliding in Civil War...quite the opposite, he is overshooting in the opposite direction.

But there is one thing about Tony which has been pathological since the first movie: the need to be in control, to be the one who pulls all the strings.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#83288: Mar 21st 2018 at 7:36:54 AM

There are few characters in the MCU as dynamic as Tony.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#83289: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:39:09 AM

Wasn't sure if anyone here talked about it, but Infinity War has tripled the presales of the next closest superhero film, aka Black Panther. at AMC theatres

edited 21st Mar '18 8:39:42 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#83290: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:48:35 AM

Weird to learn of Hammer and Anvil (who sound cool) as I'd heard of Quantum and Woody who I think have the same deal. As I think (although with romance rather than bickering) Cloak and Dagger.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83291: Mar 21st 2018 at 8:55:26 AM

In other topics, what do you think Star Lord's reaction to Steve will be? Earth has been acclimated to Cap being back, but he's still dead as far as Peter is concerned. Also, that Peter's mom's actress also played a Cap fangirl in the First Avenger, iirc.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#83292: Mar 21st 2018 at 9:18:20 AM

I flipped a coin and so must (grudgingly) go to see Infinity War if I can find the time.

edited 21st Mar '18 9:18:36 AM by Eagal

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#83294: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:09:27 AM

no it's Harvey Two Face is his other account

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#83295: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:14:13 AM

He flips a coin to decide which account he'll use for the day.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#83296: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:22:48 AM

What would you have done if the coin landed on its edge?

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#83297: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:33:06 AM

Guess the choice is left up to The Judge.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#83298: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:47:09 AM

The edge means he watches half the movie?

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#83299: Mar 21st 2018 at 11:58:51 AM

If the coin lands on its edge I stay home and watch all the Superman movies instead. Optionally while commenting on the superiority of his movies to that other one's movies.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83300: Mar 21st 2018 at 1:09:38 PM

[up] The Reeves movies vs Batman movies?


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