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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Honestly, most people would say that it spends so much time on character moments, that it kind of rushed through the action. And that is true, but I don't mind. There are so many great character moments in this one. The relationships are genuine and there are so many subtle touches. Ie one most people seem to miss is that the scene in which Steve grieves Bucky happens in the very same bar the Howling Commandos have been formed, but it was apparently hit by a bomb inbetween and so this place where people used to meet and celebrate is now just an empty ruin.
I always say that the other two Captain America movies wouldn't be half as strong if this one didn't do all the heavy lifting in making the character inherently likable. I mean, someone who always has a firm moral compass can be a really irritating character, but Steve is also such a humble guy. And he isn't unrealistically perfect. I mean, he doesn't really like to be just a show pony instead of actually being in the war, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't eventually enjoy the attention. The small smile when he sees the movie about it - such a great touch.
Also, the actors! Chris Evans and Haley Atwell just knock it out of the ballpark. And did you know that Peggy nearly touching Caps abs wasn't scripted? Haley was just so flustered.
Yeah, the easiest way to make a goody-two-shoes character annoying is to make them self-righteous. The way to make them likable is to make them humble.
I didn't catch the fact that the bar where Cap tries to drown his sorrows is the same one where they decided to form the unit, but that's definitely a nice touch. Might've worked better if they'd made it more explicit with an establishing shot or something, though.
As far as rushing through the action, that's kind of what I liked about it? That they rushed through destroying like four Hydra bases in rapid succession does a great job of hitting home that Cap and his men are moving fast and hitting the ground running. It's not a slow, deliberate plan of attack, it's a headlong rush to try to get ahead of Hydra, and really only works because the Captain keeps their losses to a minimum and keeps their momentum rolling. And it's depicted that way pretty much entirely through the pacing of those rapid-fire action scenes.
edited 20th Mar '18 7:41:03 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
They make it pretty clear...the cap poster is still in the background, and the initial shot is nearly identical, just that there aren't any people around anymore and the widows are broken. I think the contrast is just so big that most people don't notice, especially since they are focussed on cap anyway.
Yeah, that's definitely the issue. The initial scene has warm yellow lighting and is crowded to the point where it's hard to note any features of the actual bar, while the second scene is empty (for obvious reasons) and has cold blue lightning. Sets the mood very well, but makes it hard to tell it's the same place.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien."What is your secretly good MCU film? Which one do you like that's generally hated? "
Iron man 3, I just like how Tony have to scrap is way to victory and for me is his best rendition of him, showing he is more thant just his armour.
Compare to that AOU and Civil war just make make him pitty him and that is bad.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I think it's an interesting arc and one that nobody else in the setting quite comes close to
From Iron Man 1 to Homecoming Tony has increasingly become a broken man because of all the traumas piling up, all the ways his own actions have created problems, and the degradation of his personal relationships as a result
After becoming Iron Man Tony has wanted to make the world a better place by all of his projects seem to backfire. The new improved helicarriers were hijacked by Hydra, the Ultron project was... bad, and the Avengers themselves which Tony poured so much time and energy and money into fell apart. His new project is Spider-Man and he's being very distant because he's already fucked up so many things
He's always had a streak of insecurity regarding Cap but he also knew he was hot shit
But by Homecoming he's keeping his distance from Peter for fear of ruining him like he's ruined everything else and maybe guilt for getting actual child involved in a superhero fight
And all he wants is for Peter to turn out better than himself. That joke about not doing anything Tony would do or wouldn't do is pretty telling
Although he also seems to be putting his personal life back together by Homecoming. He's on same room terms with Pepper again and Rhodey and Vision are still his friends and he managed to get Happy in a job where he probsbly definitely won't explode
edited 20th Mar '18 8:25:12 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI've heard an interesting theory out there that the sudden rerailing of Tony's personal life may be a sign that he or someone in his inner circle might be a Skrull...
I don't entirely believe it, but it's definitely a fun idea.
I wouldn't want Tony to be a Skrull during Infinity War - that's something he needs to really be there for.
Happy or Pepper, on the other hand...
Oh God! Natural light!Anyone want to talk about what they want from an MCU Fantastic 4 movie? If there's one thing Fant4stic did right, it was updating their origin story to the modern age. Changing their origin from being the first people in space in the midst of the space race to wanting to be the first people to cross over into another dimension was a good move, and I think it might still work in a modern adaptation. I've heard some people mention that they want the F4 to be time-displaced from the space race of the Cold War, but I think that might be too repetitive. We already have more than enough people from different decades in the MCU, we don't need more. Another thing I want: all the F4 should be smart. Reed can still be the smartest, but Ben, Sue, and Johnny should all be smart enough to believably qualify as astronauts. Sue, in particular, should excel in one particular field of science that Reed isn't as good in.
Black Panther is currently the most tweeted movie of all time with 35 million tweets[1]
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I like that idea. A modern space race for the first functional FTL ship is a great way to update their story, and it feels contemporary with the MCU!
Sorry to switch topics again, but I really want Hammer and Anvil in something. Anything. I've given up on having them be in a movie, but they could work perfectly fine as characters in a tv show, their powers are gentle on effects. A tv show could also give the two enough screentime to evolve their relationship naturally from Teeth-Clenched Teamwork to Vitriolic Best Buds to Ambiguously Bi. You could even reference The Defiant Ones, for added meta fun.
For a moment I thought he meant Justin Hammer,bad guy for Ironman but I did a Google search and found they're Hulk villains
"Leroy "Hammer" Jackson was an African-American prisoner said to hate everyone and everything. As part of a chain gang, he was chained to a white racist named Johnny Anvil. The pair's hatred of prison, however, was stronger than their hate for each other and they succeeded in escaping the chain gang while still chained together."-Wikipedia
Uh ok,they're interesting..I think?
edited 20th Mar '18 3:26:58 PM by Ultimatum
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So, something I forgot to mention about the first Thor movie: I find it kind of amusing that Odin is pretty much the only adult in the room, to the point where they have to put him in magic plot-device sleep out of nowhere for the second half of the movie just so the real main characters have something to do. And then he wakes up just in the nick of time to save Thor anyway. Like, there's no justification for it — it's implied that this is just A Thing That Odin Does Sometimes, but there's no foreshadowing for it before he
has a heart attackfalls asleep while confronting Loki about his origins, and no explanation besides plot convenience for why he wakes up when he does. It's such a shameless plot device that I almost can't be mad about it.Anyway, rewatched the first Captain America movie. It's pretty good, over all. My biggest gripe is that Tommy Lee Jones puts no effort into sounding like a US Army officer circa WWII, as opposed to sounding like Tommy Lee Jones circa 2011. Even Hugo Weaving managed to tone down his Hugo Weaving-ness (though he had the benefit of a silly mask and a fake accent).
Other than that, just a generally solid film. I thought they did a great job of making things seem like 1940s superscience — it was obviously advanced tech, but was still grounded in the aesthetics of the era. The one misstep (other than Tommy Lee Jones) was the giant Hydra bomber at the end — the whole "flying wing" design is for stealth aircraft, and something the size of a skyscraper isn't going to be stealthy no matter what shape it is. I'd have rather seen it look like a swept-wing version of something like a B-17 or B-29 rather than a supersized B-2, but that's mostly a nitpick because of how well they nailed things otherwise.
One other touch that I really liked is how they manage to show that the super-serum has enhanced Cap's mind as well as his body. Stuff like memorizing a map just by glancing at it, or at the end when he figures out that the baseball game playing on the radio is a fake because he remembers the game after about two plays (admittedly, it's a pretty memorable play, with the bases loaded — if it had just been a base hit or something, he might not have picked up on it so quickly). They could have done something ham-handed just to show it, but instead they were reasonably subtle and worked it into the plot.
Captain America benefits enormously from being the most relatable of the main MCU cast. Tony Stark is a billionaire playboy. Bruce Banner is a brilliant scientist. Thor is an alien/god. Steve Rogers is a kid from Brooklyn. Everyone can root for the 98 pound weakling who refuses to give up, especially when he remains humble and good-natured even after becoming a superhuman badass, and the movie let that shine through. In some ways, the movie was action-heavy and plot-light (the entire second half is basically one extended action sequence), but since it's narratively anchored in WWII and we already know how that story goes, it works pretty well.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.