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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#83226: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:52:13 PM

I dunno if "hated" is the right word but I do kinda like Ant-Man more than some people, even though I recognize that it's a bit basic, has awkward comedic moments, and the whole deal with sidelining Hope is stupid. I also kinda like it though, I don't really know why.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#83227: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:53:14 PM

Is it the rip-off model train battle?tongue

edited 19th Mar '18 7:53:40 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
unexplainedEnemy from hell pit Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#83228: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:54:08 PM

Ehhh, the first two Thor movies seemed like a much more straightforward attempt at drama. Whether or not it worked...well, opinions vary. But even if you think the only good parts were comedy, I wouldn't classify them as comedy, considering that it's a much smaller part in those movies than in Ragnarok.

they're gonna find intelligent life up there on the moon/and the canterbury tales will shoot up to the top of the best-seller list
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#83229: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:54:19 PM

I am very, very, very attached to Thor. I will defend Branagh’s camp and Dutch angles from here to the moon. The casting was perfect, the sets were perfect, and contrary to popular opinion I freaking love Jane Foster and Darcy.

also 2011 me had a serious crush on Hiddleston and Hemsworth. They’re both so very, very pretty.

edited 19th Mar '18 7:55:41 PM by wisewillow

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#83230: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:54:19 PM

[up][up][up]

...it's been years since I've seen that particular cartoon, I don't recall what it ripped off.

Maybe it's Luis. Luis is great. Iffy, yes, but funny and better than most annoying stereotypes of Latinos.

edited 19th Mar '18 7:54:39 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83231: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:55:16 PM

There was a model train fight in both, both were excellent.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83232: Mar 19th 2018 at 7:55:53 PM

I like Ant-Man but I think that - like Iron Man 3 actually - it abandoned the decent theme it had going for the sake of rerailing into a more generic, standard superhero plot towards the end. Marvel Studios copped out and went safe at the finish line, and thus ended up with something blander than it could have been.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83233: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:11:44 PM

I suppose Ant-Man is my "guilty pleasure" MCU movie because it's been a favorite of my family's ever since we saw it in theaters; probably more to do with Luis and the family-focused emotional core of it than anything else, though.

[up] Not disagreeing with you, but could you elaborate?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83234: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:21:57 PM

Well, mostly in regards to Cross as Yellowjacket: in the end, the movie inexplicably skives off to have Cross go after Scott's daughter (instead of the people he actually has a gripe with) so the two can have a big/small superhero battle, while the previous main plot of the heist is mopped up by the supporting characters. The different kind of genre spin the movie spent a long time building up stops being a thing, for something more traditional.

It's not a heist movie either, but the part I'm thinking of is: imo the end of the plot with Cross should've been like the end of the plot with Zorg in The Fifth Element: he discovers he's lost everything, while the whole situation falls apart without him. Instead of making it a standard guy in suit vs guy in suit fistfight, if they wanted a hyper climax Marvel should've made the heist more insane and content heavy instead, emphasizing the kind of traits the movie had set up for Scott and his actions already.

Iron Man 3 has it even worse (though not as bad as, say, Hancock). Killian abruptly becomes a standard "lusting after the hero's girlfriend" villain, kidnaps her so Tony can be a bad enough dude to rescue her, and the whole conspiracy theming of the movies goes away so the end can be. This leaves a lot of things undeveloped: Killian, AIM in general, Extremis in general, etc, and is one of the primary reasons - imo - Killian ends up being so flat. He starts out being written as a minion, and ends being written as a something textbook.

edited 19th Mar '18 8:22:24 PM by KnownUnknown

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#83235: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:24:17 PM

[up] I kinda agree. These films have too big an obsession with the big action finale.

(Ouch, but mentioning Hancock is like picking at an open scab, I've never seen such a plummet in quality between two halves of a single movie.)

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#83236: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:27:43 PM

I'm still kind of miffed they used AIM in such a way.

Where are the evil bee-keeper suits? Where's the Scientist Supreme? Where's the meddling in forces far, far beyond their ken?

Where is the god damn Mental Organization Designed Only for Killing?!?

Oh God! Natural light!
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#83237: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:35:15 PM

Sorry, I'm still caught up thinking about timelines.

I just made this chart I'm exhausted now. (Also I've fudged Doctor Strange because I insist on it taking place over the duration of Phase 2, and I'm not entirely sure that Guardians Vol 2 takes place after or before Age of Ultron so I guessed)

edited 19th Mar '18 8:35:29 PM by Whowho

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#83238: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:37:19 PM

[up] ...Doesn't the bulk of Thor take place after Iron Man 2?

Oh God! Natural light!
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#83239: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:38:07 PM

[up]x2 IIRC GOTG 2 takes place 2 months after the original.

edited 19th Mar '18 8:38:41 PM by Aleistar

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#83240: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:38:33 PM

Ant-Man and the Wasp is before Infinity War?

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#83241: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:41:09 PM

I guessed for Infiity war in relation to Ant Man and the Wasp, also, BLOODY HELL you're right Thor and Iron Man 2 are in the wrong order.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#83242: Mar 19th 2018 at 8:49:38 PM

Fixed it

EDIT: Oh what i got Go G 2 wrong to? Gonna fix that then.

EDIT: Double fixed it

On reflection it would have made more sense to make a timeline rather than a crazy conspiracy theory wall.

My insomnia is pretty bad at the moment, can you tell?

Next I might make a diagram illustrating the timeline retcon.

edited 19th Mar '18 9:04:21 PM by Whowho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83243: Mar 20th 2018 at 12:51:07 AM

The timeline is currently a little bit in flux because none of the movies which have been released last year are anywhere close to their actual release date. Ignoring the mess with Spider-Man Home-coming and just going by where they are placed in relation to civil war, Gotg Vol 2 happened before Civil war (between Gotg and Age of Ultron to be precise), Homecoming more or less directly after it, Black Panther too (I think it might even overlap with Spider-Man Homecoming), likewise Ant-man and the wasp seems to fit somewhere into the ballpark and Ragnarök is the only one which happens after Doctor Strange and might actually be set in 2017. Even Agents of Shield is currently completely confusing with its time-travel shenanigans, but it should be set in 2017 too, instead of being set roughly in real time like it is usually the case.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#83244: Mar 20th 2018 at 3:39:56 AM

When we get an official timeline I may cry from joy.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#83245: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:39:43 AM

yeah, honestly, what is the matter with that? We got one promised!

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#83246: Mar 20th 2018 at 4:43:05 AM

They're probably having trouble making one.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#83247: Mar 20th 2018 at 5:52:16 AM

Maybe they're waiting for either Infinity War or Avengers 4, so they can say that if anything doesn't match up it's the result of the Time Stone. tongue

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#83248: Mar 20th 2018 at 5:57:42 AM

Thanos: Now that I have all of the Infinity Stones, my first decree shall be that Spider-Man Homecoming takes place later than everyone thought.

Death: ...What?

Thanos: THANOS HAS SPOKEN!

edited 20th Mar '18 5:58:14 AM by LordVatek

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#83249: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:27:18 AM

That sick son of a bitch

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#83250: Mar 20th 2018 at 6:47:07 AM

Thanos would make all the spiderman films canon

all of them

edited 20th Mar '18 6:47:16 AM by Ultimatum

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