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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82976: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:17:35 AM

I think that part of this movie might be set in space actually. Like there are certain shots that look like they might be taking place on other planets/in space.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82977: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:32:54 AM

I was actually expecting this to be a three hour movie. Disney always shies away from the epic film lengths, but if there's a film which could justify it, it would be this one.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82978: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:33:49 AM

The Russos confirmed the place where Iron Man, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Thor and Drax are fighting Thanos in the trailer is is the ruins of Titan.

So we're probably gonna get a bit of both.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#82979: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:37:36 AM

I think the general outline goes something like:

  • Thanos attacks Asgardians. Gets Space Stone
  • Banner falls to Earth. Found by Strange
  • Thor is picked up by Guardians.
  • Tony goes to meet Banner
  • Thanos attacks Collector. Does not have Reality Stone.
  • Ship appears over Earth
  • Peter, Strange, and Tony go to attack ship.
  • Ship transports them to another planet. Found by Guardians.
  • They lure Thanos to fight him and fail miserably.
  • Meanwhile, the Black Order have been rounding up the Infinty Stones. Vision is killed. Mind Stone retrieved.
  • The remaining Avengers meet up in Wakanda to retrieve Bucky. Soul Stone revealed to be in Wakanda. They prepare for battle.
  • Strange retreats back to Earth. Is captured. Time Stone retrieved.
  • Wakanda vs. Thanos forces. Wakanda starts to win.
  • Thanos arrives on Earth. Curb Stomp ensues. Thanos gets Soul Stone.
  • Black Order meet up. Mind Stone and Time Stone are given to Thanos.
  • He leaves to search for Reality Stone.

edited 18th Mar '18 11:59:52 AM by LordVatek

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#82980: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:44:13 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if the Soul Gem is revealed to be in Wakanda, but I don't want it to be. And even if it is, I don't want it to be used as an explanation for vibranium.

A case can certainly be made that maybe the vibranium meteor brought the Soul Gem to Earth and it's through the Soul Gem's power that the heart-shaped herb grew and the Wakandans gained the ability to commune with their dead. That's reasonable. But there is no part of vibranium that has anything to do with the boundary of life and death.

I'd be willing to accept the Soul Gem being in Wakanda if, and only if, it has nothing to do with vibranium itself. Vibranium should still just be a cool space rock.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#82981: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:52:19 AM

I'm not even sure the Soul Stone being responsible for Vibranium would work. That doesn't seem to be in-line with its powers.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82982: Mar 18th 2018 at 11:54:08 AM

There has to be some final act after Wakanda we've not seen in the trailers yet where Thor, the Guardians and who ever survives out of Tony and Spidey meet up with the earth heroes.

I imagine it's everyone following Thanos into space as he goes to grab the reality and or soul stones.

Like, I don't think it's possible to resist having the Avengers and Guardians team up, and for the Avengers as a team to go into space.

I suspect Star Lord won't get to Earth until Guardians Vol 3, because he's gotta have that reunion with his grandfather and visit his mother's grave.

I wouldn't be surprised if the final battle is everyone, Thanos included, discovering where the soul and reality gems are, and we all shoot into space to discover Nebula (who has been missing from the trailers) , with her own right handed infinity gauntlet, with the soul and reality gems imbeded in it.

edited 18th Mar '18 11:56:48 AM by Whowho

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82983: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:15:49 PM

I still suspect that Thanos will have the Soul Stone going into the movie, so that he - the villain - isnt effectively entering the race he started unarmed.

It works better narratively than the Soul Stone conveniently having been in Wakanda all along who’da thunk it, especially given that with Vision Eakanda will already have an Infinity Stone they need to defend anyway and as such it doesn’t add much to have the Soul Stone inexplicably be there.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:19:26 PM by KnownUnknown

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#82984: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:16:26 PM

I mentioned it before, but I think the Soul gem won't be in Infinity War at all (it will be discussed, but no one will actually reach it's location), and instead it's being saved for Avengers 4.

I'd propose that Thanos will basically win in Infinity War. Thanos will obtain all 4 gems whose whereabouts are known, and have a solid lead on number 5. The Avengers will still be alive (mostly at least), but will have no obvious means to beat him to the soul gem...well no obvious means without Captain Marvel anyways.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82985: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:18:17 PM

It'd also be kind of a cop-out to have that many Stones be on Earth at this point. We already have the Space and Mind Stones here. Also having Soul would be lazy writing, IMO.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82986: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:19:02 PM

Well, Thanos sent the Mind Gem here, to try and get the Space gem.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82987: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:21:19 PM

Yeah, but I’m terms of the stakes in this movie that doesn’t matter much. The end result is still that the heroes literally have all the Infinity Stones and half of them are already on Earth.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82988: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:22:37 PM

[up][up][up]I agree. Soul needs to be somewhere else. Where, I have no idea.

We got one from Asgard/Earth (the tesseract/space stone)

One from Thanos/Earth (Mind)

One from Dark Elves/Asgard/Earth (aether/reality stone)

One from random planet/Xandar (power stone)

Thor has been in contact with three stones, Loki three, Cap two, Tony two but at a distance, Hulk one, Guardians one.

So Soul should be somewhere in space.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:22:56 PM by wisewillow

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#82989: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:24:01 PM

The only reason I think the Soul Stone is in Wakanda (besides the whole speaking to the dead thing) is because I can't think of many reasons why Thanos would have all of his troops come out in force like that to attack one country. Especially Thanos himself going there.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:25:16 PM by LordVatek

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#82990: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:26:31 PM

The only way I’m okay with Soul being in Wakanda is if they drive off Thanos with several big deaths, unsure why he’s even there (Vision arrives before the attack; Thanos leaves after killing him; they think Thanos was there for Vision’s stone), only to discover the soul stone in the end credits scene.

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#82991: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:27:43 PM

We have the Time and Mind Gems here. The Time Gem's just sorta been here, while the Mind Gem was sent here by Thanos to try and obtain the Space Gem.

The Space Gem was put here by Odin for safekeeping, but was discovered and sent to Asgard. It is probably currently in Loki's possession given that he stops and notices it just before the scene cuts away during Ragnarok.

The Reality Gem was here only briefly. It is currently in the Collector's possession.

The Power Gem has never been to Earth and is currently being secured by the Nova Corps on Xandar.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82992: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:29:27 PM

That’s still three stones connected to one planet.

I really, really want a line from Thanos mocking our insignificance/how weird it is that we’ve had contact with three stones, and then a later callback where Cap or Spidey says something about how Earth is great.

“What makes Earth so special?”

“Nothing. I’m just a kid from Brooklyn/Queens.”

edited 18th Mar '18 12:31:46 PM by wisewillow

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#82993: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:32:23 PM

There's an answer for that, though. The answer is that Asgard won't leave us alone.

The Space Gem was here because Odin used our planet as a vault, not realizing we already had a Gem and didn't need another one. The Mind Gem was brought here by Loki trying to claim Odin's hidden Gem for Thanos, while the one we already had remained safely in seclusion.

Then Thor's girlfriend ran into the Reality Gem that Odin had secreted into a different vault, triggering another Asgardian struggle in our backyard.

The problem isn't Earth. The problem is Asgard using Earth as a subordinate state.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:34:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82994: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:34:50 PM

Okay new question: why did Odin have the tesseract? How did he get it? How did he use it? Why stash it in Norway?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#82995: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:35:16 PM

Also, and this is based on nothing except a gut feeling, I think that Carol has the Reality Stone. She knew about Thanos' whole deal and bought it from the Collector to keep it from him.

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#82996: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:36:19 PM

...wut. That is a weirdly specific gut feeling, since Carol hasn’t even been introduced yet.

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#82997: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:37:51 PM

There's an implication that Asgard, in its self-proclaimed capacity as protector of the Nine Realms, sought out the Infinity Gems in the past. Even random Asgardian soldiers like the Warriors Three seem to know all about what they are and what they can do, whereas this is secret arcane lore to the rest of the universe.

At some point, Odin came into possession of at least the Space and Reality Gems and his first response was to find places to hide them where nobody would ever find them. One of those places was a secret vault on some unknown world somewhere that nobody cares about, and another was Midgard...so, basically, a secret vault on some unknown world somewhere that nobody cares about.

I would not be surprised if the ruin that Peter Quill found the Power Gem in was another of Odin's vaults. The datapoints of the Space and Reality Gems indicates that this is a thing he was doing: finding the Gems and putting them in obscure facilities where he thinks they'll be secure forever.

How Odin's search for the Infinity Gems plays into his conquests and imperialism is an interesting question and one I would love to see explored.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:39:11 PM by TobiasDrake

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#82998: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:39:12 PM

Huh... what did happen to the world the power stone was hidden on?

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#82999: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:40:05 PM

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the answer is probably, "The Power Gem happened to it."

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#83000: Mar 18th 2018 at 12:41:12 PM

[up]x4 If I'm right (which I'm probably not) I'm assuming it won't really be touched on in Infinity War and will be revealed in the after credits sequence of Captain Marvel.

edited 18th Mar '18 12:41:26 PM by LordVatek

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