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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#82901: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:47:44 PM

I guess there might be a movement of Shuriists rallying around her to challenge T'Challa for the throne. Good luck with that.

She's welcome to throw down with him in the ring of honor. No fancy tech weapons, no herbal superpowers.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82902: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:56:56 PM

[up][up] Well... I don't know about a backwater. The Star Wars-esque Space Opera way cosmic marvel has evolved ultimately means that space society isn't that much farther ahead of Earth society, with the exception of means of space travel and other really big stuff. Even weaponry: while people are shooting lasers and explosive energy around, it's still the same basic concept of guns and bombs.

Way more people have access to superweapons, though. Yondu's Arrow and Groot are both severely broken even in their highly advanced playground.

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#82903: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:01:11 PM

I've seen MCU Hulk kick a guy so hard he rag-dolled across a city park, slammed into a tree, and broke every bone in his body.

I'm also pretty sure he wasn't trying to give Romanov a hug when he was chasing her down on the Helicarrier.

He probably wouldn't grab a random bystander and pound them into mist but I doubt he'd have any hesitation about backhanding someone through a skyscraper if they were in his immediate vicinity and he was even mildly aggrieved at them. It's funny when he does it to Thor because Thor can take a punch, but it'd be less funny if it was Barton.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:03:40 PM by TobiasDrake

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#82904: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:01:42 PM

Yondu's Arrow doesn't strike me as that broken. It's mostly a case of people not expecting something like that to be so deadly.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82905: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:03:23 PM

Oops- wrong thread too

edited 17th Mar '18 4:03:42 PM by Hodor2

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#82906: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:05:16 PM

I could see human Nova happening if the Nova Corps is demolished over the course of Infinity War, but now that Earth is on their radar they can start recruiting various Earthlings to repopulate the organization, including two folks named Richard Rider and Sam Alexander.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82907: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:08:10 PM

Yondu's Arrow doesn't strike me as that broken. It's mostly a case of people not expecting something like that to be so deadly.

The arrow effortlessly turned a starship into swiss cheese, while the dozens of combatants inside had absolutely no means of defense. It's destroyed starfighters and wiped out an entire platoon of prepared enemy soldiers. In the first movie, it did the second bit so fast it too out the entire platoon plus air support before the first guy even hit the ground. The thing is total bullshit.

I mean, it's legit awesome. The best kind of bullshit there is. But the extreme power it gives Yondu is kind of noticeable when put next the general power level of everyone around him.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:13:02 PM by KnownUnknown

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#82908: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:08:59 PM

First example was Incredible Hulk. General Ross's men engage the Hulk outside a college. The battle rages until the Hulk has demolished Ross's forces, until finally it's only Emil Blonsky left. There's a quiet moment where Blonsky approaches the Hulk and stares him down. The action dies out and the two just look each other over. Blonsky's fascinated by the Hulk's power and fury, and they come together and just see each other.

It's immediately shattered when the Hulk kicks Blonsky across the park, shattering every bone in his body, because the Hulk is a creature of pure violence and rage. He survives solely because he's hopped up on the Super-Soldier Serum.

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#82910: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:12:50 PM

I remember seeing that film,god was it terrible

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#82911: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:14:14 PM

[up][up]Yes. Yes, it is. Because we don't like Blonsky so it's funny watching the Hulk suddenly break him. Same reason it's hilarious when this happens.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:14:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#82912: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:15:13 PM

Eh, Loki's an Asgardian - he can take it.

I mean, we like Thor, and we still think it's funny when Hulk punches him off the screen.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:15:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82913: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:16:50 PM

I actually think Blonsky had one of the most reasonable motivations in the MCU for the first half of the movie. He's a soldier but a lifetime of combat had taken a toll on his body, but he gets offered the chance to defeat this big green monster as well as being given another chance to be young again.

But then of course he becomes a big monster for the Hulk to punch out.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82914: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:17:06 PM

[up][up][up] The Obvious CGI ragdolling doesn't help things either.

[up] I actually really like Blonsky as a villain, both the mild worldbuilding his existence introduced and how well they showed him go from apathetic soldier to obsessed monster.

"Villain singularly obsessed with the hero" is a comic book mainstay that isn't really easy to adapt to film, and that was a good try imo.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:19:36 PM by KnownUnknown

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#82915: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:18:05 PM

Blonsky had major balls though.

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#82916: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:20:37 PM

Yeah, I can't see MCU Hulk deliberately grabbing innocent bystanders and crushing them into a fine red mist. At most, Hulk's casualties would be due to collateral damage, and the most collateral damage he was doing in Age of Ultron was tossing a few cars aside while staying in the same general location.

He definitely AT LEAST kills several police officers on purpose. There's a POV shot of officers in an APC, Hulk jumping onto the APC, ripping off the roof and reaching for the officers inside before the camera cuts. There's also a shot of him kicking a minivan and tossing someone out he grabbed (though you can't make out who that is) as officers begin to shoot at him. He also kicks a van at several officers (and we see it hit them). There's also a point where he's trying to get to a civilian woman in her car before Stark finally arrives.

Like, IMHO Hulk DEFINITELY turned civilians into paste before the cops first got there.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:21:04 PM by Ghilz

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82917: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:20:56 PM

[up][up]He did, he did.

It's just, if it was someone slightly more reasonable than Ross running the show, I would probably be on the side of the army in that picture. The hulk does need to be contained somewhere, they just need to put Banner in a calm environment until they can figure out how to reverse the affects of the gamma radiation. Their point man is, as I've said, someone with a pretty compelling and relatable. motivation.

But Ross is an asshole. So yeah.

[up] x 3 If Marvel didn't act like they wanted everyone to forget The Incredible Hulk I'd actually argue he's a character they should bring back. Have the Abomination stuff fade off and have him be a (somewhat immoral) SHIELD agent going forward. I think it would be an interesting motivation.

edited 17th Mar '18 4:22:53 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82918: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:25:17 PM

Abomination is a must if they ever do the Masters of Evil imo. He's a glaring open opportunity as a villain that wasn't killed, is powerful enough to challenge the Avengers, and is just sitting around somewhere not doing anything.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82919: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:26:15 PM

[up] What did happen to Abomination? Isn't he basically as strong as the Hulk? How did they contain him?

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82920: Mar 17th 2018 at 4:32:35 PM

Agents of SHIELD says he was literally put on ice and stored in a prison facility in the middle of nowhere. So he's available for a good old fashioned supervillain breakout.

Though that's also assuming that, when the time comes, whatever director/writer team they have working on an Abomination return pays attention to AOS. Apparently many of the film teams don't.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82921: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:01:33 PM

I do appticiate the Avengers globe trotting. Back at the time of Phase One, the big apple was feeling really over used in super hero films.

Edit: woah an entire page got posted while I was looking the other way.

edited 17th Mar '18 5:09:04 PM by Whowho

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#82922: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:51:39 PM

I assume Hulk killed people during the rampage. His whole arc in the movie was Banner basically having a rude awakening and realizing that his idea about the Hulk being a force for good was a delusion.

I'm actually wondering if this is addressed within the next two movies. It'd have to be a PR nightmare to officially have the Hulk back on the Avengers, which is why I think this'll just be a one time thing before Banner walks off into the sunset.

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#82923: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:01:01 PM

That's not Banner's arc. He's always been opposed to the idea. The Hulk being "a force for Good" is a Godzilla Threshold thing, not just for the Avengers but for Banner himself. We see how uncomfortable he is with letting the Hulk be used like this right from the start, with the "Gates of Hel" exchange with Thor.

Age of Ultron is Banner's Darkest Hour. He never wanted the Hulk to be a weapon. His entire character direction was about keeping the Hulk from being something that someone can point at their enemies and fire. He didn't want to help S.H.I.E.L.D. because he thought they'd use the Hulk that way, and now the Avengers literally have a code phrase for "Point the Hulk and fire."

And when he finally gets up the nerve to walk away, the one person who he thought had his back pulls his trigger anyway.

Banner's arc isn't finished. Age of Ultron is basically his Empire Strikes Back moment, which is why it ends on him ragequitting the Avengers. He's still got some journey left to make, and Ragnarok was a key step in that.

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#82925: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:45:45 PM

I want Bruce Banner to be the one that takes down Thanos and give him his moment of awesome

Like after Thanos has beaten everyone you see Bruce walking through the smoke and fire towards him and Thanos just shrugs him off until Bruce is suddenly right up close

"I want to you leave,take your armies, and go,and never return"

"Ha.Puny guy like you won't convince me of anything!"

"I'm not so sure you could describe me as 'Puny'

[epic battle ensures,Banner emerges victorious with the glove which he crushes in his hand while delivering a one liner about being puny]

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