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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82876: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:47:51 AM

[up][up] I mostly trust Marcus and Mc Feely. As I always say, a strong script is the first step to a good movie, and they are easily the strongest writer in the MCU.

[up] Not really. Avengers 4 was shot back to back with Infinity War, which will be released in a few weeks, so naturally they are done except for maybe some pick-up shots.

edited 17th Mar '18 8:48:50 AM by Swanpride

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#82877: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:00:50 AM

I only say it's weird because Captain Marvel comes out first. :p

35 year old white man.
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#82878: Mar 17th 2018 at 9:17:43 AM

We know Captain Marvel takes place in the 90's. So I'm guessing she'll end the movie stranded or trapped in stasis somewhere out in space. Possibly minus a scene at the tail end explaining how she ultimately got back to Earth in time for Avengers 4.

If it's directly tied in to the events of Infinity War, then maybe a cool way to do it would be to have Infinity War and Captain Marvel end with the same event from two different perspectives.

...I do realize this really parallels Captain America: TFA a lot, but I doubt Carol Danvers will be literally frozen in the arctic ice so it won't be the exact same situation.

I don't know how they are going to handle Monica if she really is in Captain Marvel. There are other options but my guess is that she won't get powers in Captain Marvel and remain on Earth, and is simply aged up a bit in the sequel.

edited 17th Mar '18 9:22:43 AM by Falrinn

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82879: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:17:45 PM

The people of Wakanda right now. (spoilers)

[up]Maybe something with the Infinity Stones somehow brings her into the present.

edited 17th Mar '18 12:18:26 PM by comicwriter

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82880: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:40:05 PM

Yeah, I can really see something like the comics' Achebe stuff happening, because after Thanos and co. land in Wakanda, Wakanda is going to be wrecked.

It's kind of funny in a sad way that Black Panther does such a great job of selling the country as an amazing (if somewhat flawed) place and then the next movie is presumably going to have the populace slaughtered and the country in ruins.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#82881: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:59:14 PM

Just like Justice League and the Amazons. :P

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82882: Mar 17th 2018 at 1:02:34 PM

[up][up] Well it was inevitable with Wakanda now taking an interest in global affairs.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#82883: Mar 17th 2018 at 1:12:28 PM

Won’t look great, but at this point it was a choice between “get invaded by aliens and have to fend them off themselves” or “get invaded by aliens and have the help of the Avengers.”

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82884: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:11:04 PM

It's not going to look good for T'challa though. Two years into his reign, which is already controversial for banking isolationist trends, he 'invites' a space conflict to happen in Wakanda.

I know in truth he's doing he right thing to stop half of everyone dying, but it's gonna do hell for his approval rating.

Ah well, he's king now. Done the ceremony. Short of another surprise relative or an assassination attempt he doesn't have to worry about accountability. (though if he becomes a hated monarch he's pretty much ensuring his next of kin is going to get beaten up/killed during their induction ceremony.)

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#82885: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:43:33 PM

I guess there might be a movement of Shuriists rallying around her to challenge T'Challa for the throne. Good luck with that.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#82886: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:47:40 PM

I doubt Wakanda's going to get wrecked. New York City had a bunch of aliens invade and get into an epic battle with superheroes, but it managed to stay mostly in tact.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82887: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:53:15 PM

As was alluded to earlier, the MCU movies have some issues with killing Africans. So, even though New York and Sarkovia got by relatively unscathed (well, until Civil War took a more cynical view of the collateral damage), I'd expect the people of Wakanda to fare a lot worse, given precedent in South Africa and Nigeria.

Not to mention, outside of the "problematic" side of things, Wakanda seems to be filling the role in Infinity War as Xandar did in GOTG- it's basically a Red Shirt Army that valiantly, but fruitlessly resists the Big Bad and his forces.

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#82888: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:55:12 PM

They have access to Vibranium and are very advanced,they could probably handle the black Order better then New York did with those other alien invaders

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82889: Mar 17th 2018 at 2:55:13 PM

...Russo bros, don’t you dare. Don’t you dare wreck Wakanda. Don’t you *dare*.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82890: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:00:25 PM

I've been thinking that Wakanda will win, but be damaged enough that the issue causes turmoil in Black Panther 2: in a "we let these people in as T'Challa wanted, and now look at the shit that happened next!" sort of way.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82891: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:02:43 PM

Amusing that in Infinity Wakanda was the only place to drive off the invaders.

Hell T'Challa went mano a mano towards Cull Obsidian all alone & kicked the big guys ass.

edited 17th Mar '18 3:03:02 PM by slimcoder

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82892: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:06:06 PM

The MCU doesn't have an issue with "killing Africans". It just has gotten in the habit of staging big battle scenes in Africa or Asia or Europe - most likely to make it more appealing for the international audience. I mean, if we don't get a hero of our own, we can at least watch them taking apart out airports.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#82893: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:07:05 PM

We don't know how many casualties, if any, there were from the Hulk's South Africa rampage. They even did a Megas XLR and identified a building as conveniently empty before bodyslamming a monster into it.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82894: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:27:18 PM

I'd like to pretend he didn't kill anyone, and if he did, it was more in the way of collapsing buildings than Hulk ripping people apart.

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#82895: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:32:51 PM

Yeah, I can't see MCU Hulk deliberately grabbing innocent bystanders and crushing them into a fine red mist. At most, Hulk's casualties would be due to collateral damage, and the most collateral damage he was doing in Age of Ultron was tossing a few cars aside while staying in the same general location. He probably had more collateral damage kills in New York in Avengers, just because he was moving around a lot more.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#82896: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:34:03 PM

I think that Wakanda is less likely to be cannon fodder than the Nova Corps, if only because they have Black Panther, who I think is unlikely to job to make someone else look good.

(Also, Thanos invading Wakanda was taken from Infinity, where, as has been mentioned, they actually won, though granted, Thanos didn't go there himself.)

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#82897: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:35:17 PM

I imagine Wakanda's going to win, but it won't be an easy victory.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82898: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:36:00 PM

It'd be interesting if the Nova Corps was wiped out with the exception of one guy, who went on to become the MCU's Nova.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#82899: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:39:13 PM

I'd guess we'll see the Wakandan forces holding against Thanos's troops for a while, but they'll be getting worn down and about to break when Thanos finally gets his hands on whatever Infinity Stone(s) Wakanda has, at which point he'll declare "Mission Accomplished" and leave, taking his army with him.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82900: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:43:25 PM

I mean Wakanda prolly doesn't have anything Thanos hasn't seen before.

To him their prolly around a mid-class civilization, just above most backwater worlds.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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