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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82851: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:16:15 PM

[up][up] found it art looks fine to me.

[up]how about that theory that Heimdal's eyes are the soul stone?

I mean, I don't expect being blind to stop that man, but it would give him an excuse to sit out the rest of the film.

Regardless, yeah, Valkyrie having a small role is going to be weird.

edited 16th Mar '18 10:17:02 PM by Whowho

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#82852: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:18:30 PM

Honestly I highly doubt they're gonna kill Valkyrie off. Heimdall maybe, but I doubt Valkyrie is gonna die.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82853: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:22:07 PM

Honestly I expect they're considering giving her a solo film.

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#82854: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:23:37 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, I thought that was one of his better pages. There's stuff that's worse, though.

edited 16th Mar '18 10:42:48 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82855: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:27:44 PM

Did a quick look through his portfolio, and a lot of people give him shit for using his own work for referencing, which, honnestly I don't care about because every artist uses referencing.

However I've already noticed that he had this problem of giving a lot of his female characters interchangeable faces.

I don't really expect Monica to look that light skinned for instance.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82856: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:32:06 PM

That's also because he tends to trace A LOT From magazines (especially, um "adult" ones). So he'll literally take a woman's facial expression from a magazine, and use it for a bunch of his female characters. So not only do they all look "samey," but their facial expressions often don't even fit the situation that they're in a the time.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82857: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:46:37 PM

People gave him shit for giving Monica short, Euro-style hair when she traditionally had dreadlocks and afros, not just because of iffy implications, but also because he almost certainly did that because it's way easier to find magazine photos of straight-haired women than it is to find pictures of women with dreads. So it was both out of character and artistically lazy.

Honestly I highly doubt they're gonna kill Valkyrie off. Heimdall maybe, but I doubt Valkyrie is gonna die.

I also imagine some of the Asgardians will survive because otherwise it kinda pointlessly negates Thor's character arc from the last movie. He learns to become a king and accepts the responsibility of being a ruler...only to then have that become completely irrelevant 10 minutes later when Thanos kills everyone.

Of course this wouldn't be the first instance of a movie in this franchise undoing or ignoring a plot point from a previous movie, but this would be really blatant.

edited 16th Mar '18 10:48:40 PM by comicwriter

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#82858: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:53:48 PM

Can I just gush about how fantastic the sound design in that trailer is? The fucking action and editing synch up perfectly with the Avengers theme in the background, and it gives the whole trailer this epic feel. I hope the movie itself does that, synching up the action scenes to the musical beats of the background music because it is powerful and impactful as fuck!

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82859: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:54:26 PM

In fact the character growth of Thor in ragnerok is the main reason I don't expect him or all of the asgardians to die in Infinity War

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82860: Mar 16th 2018 at 10:56:32 PM

[up]Yeah. In fact I think it's possible Thanos takes the Asgardians prisoner or something, and that fuels Thor's motivation to stop him.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82861: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:03:34 PM

I am pretty weirded out by the absence of Hawkeye from the trailers

The best theory I heard is that right after having been thrown in jail and breaking out, the Avengers called him up and said they needed his help to save the universe from a genocidal alien god, and Clint was just like "Fuck you guys" and hung up the phone.

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#82862: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:07:03 PM

He has a patio to finish. Or maybe a game room.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82863: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:07:30 PM

Theory I've read is the reason Cap can almost hold Thanos back from casually grabbing him like a doll is that he's Vision in disguise and its a ploy to snatch the glove off Thanos' unexpecting hand.

I feel like that's too likely to work for it to be true.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82864: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:18:37 PM

Sounds like Thanos has the biggest role of the film.

Interestingly enough, I'll start out by saying Thanos, even though he's not a character that had a huge preexisting story in the Marvel universe. He was a threat but he was not developed in any way up to this point. Thanos has an incredible amount of screen time in this film, in a lot of ways I would say it's his movie. Our job when we make these films — and what we feel is important to us — is to surprise the audience. We wanted to tell a story that they weren't expecting, and the story is told from the point of view of a villain, which I think is also really unique and risky for a commercial film that will surprise the audience. I think this is a market where the audience really enjoys innovation and disruption, and we want to do something innovative in this space. So I think Thanos has an incredible amount of screen time, and I think you'll find that Thor has a really interesting arc in the film. He hasn't been at the forefront of other Avengers movies but he certainly has a very important role in this film. So I'll say, Thanos and Thor.

The Russos also say there are characters who don't get a lot of screentime in this one that'll have much bigger roles in the follow-up next year, and vice-versa, characters with a lot of screentime here who have much smaller parts in the next one.

shatterstar Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
#82865: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:21:48 PM

Not sure if this was posted here or not, but Lashana Lynn is in final negotiation to be in Captain Marvel, replacing DeWanda Wise.

That's some fast recasting.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:23:00 PM by shatterstar

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#82866: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:23:06 PM

Well, they're off to a great start. With just one line of dialogue:

Thanos: "I hope they remember you."

Thanos already has more nuance than some other Marvel villains.

Infinity War: a summary

edited 16th Mar '18 11:45:45 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#82867: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:46:49 PM

So I haven’t seen Nebula in these trailers- I presume this means she’s going to have a bigger role in the sequel

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#82868: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:04:51 AM

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/saturn-awards-nominations-2018-black-panther-walking-dead-1202727752/

Boy, the Saturns really do love Black Panther so they have it nominated for almost all the categories for films from 2017. I know it's a common practice for them, but geeze.

Also what are you doing here, Iron Fist?

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82869: Mar 17th 2018 at 12:56:22 AM

I wonder if the stinger for this film might be Captain Marvel arriving back on Earth? She's apparently not in this movie, but IS in Avengers 4. And given that Feige has described her as "the most powerful MCU hero so far," it seems like she might be a prime candidate to help turn the tide against Thanos if/when she shows up finally?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82870: Mar 17th 2018 at 1:10:49 AM

I guess it is too much too hope that Ao S will win the Saturn awards, even though its fourth season blew all the other shows out of the water.

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#82871: Mar 17th 2018 at 3:10:18 AM

Also what are you doing here, Iron Fist?

Lack of options. Best superhero TV show distributed exclusively by streaming services in 2017 isn't exactly a wide category. Pretty much every single entry in that field got a nomination for the sake of even having a list to pick from.

edited 17th Mar '18 3:11:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#82872: Mar 17th 2018 at 5:39:55 AM

[up][up] It bugs me that The Flash got a more nominations that AOS, because The Flash is really quite bad (poor dialogue, dumb plots), even if sometimes entertaining, while AOS (from Season 2 onwards) has generally better acting, dialogue, plotting, and complexity.

Not surprised about BP getting lots of nominations, as it's actually good. Merely existing seems to be sufficient for a Saturn Award nomination in some categories, irrespective of quality (Alien Covenant? Kong: Skull Island? Valerian? Fate of the Furious?), so when a movie manages to be good in addition to containing multiple female characters it's bound to get lots.

edited 17th Mar '18 7:01:45 AM by Galadriel

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82873: Mar 17th 2018 at 6:07:49 AM

[up] Ao S is just criminally underrated. I have the hope, though, that with time it will be acknowledged as the great show it is.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82874: Mar 17th 2018 at 7:20:25 AM

I have to said that so far Im trusting the russo brother with marvel the most, they seen aware of marvel falling with samey movies and try to push things around, that is cool.

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
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#82875: Mar 17th 2018 at 8:43:23 AM

I'm just realized that Captain Marvel is still shooting but Avengers 4 has already wrapped up. Weird. Also if Monica is in Captain Marvel then we won't see again til Captain Marvel 2..

edited 17th Mar '18 9:00:14 AM by BigBlackBangBro

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