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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82751: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:29:06 PM

"He's addicted to putting arrows in people"

Man, Freud would have had a field day with Clinttongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82752: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:29:06 PM

She goofused up and people died. But she was acting to save people from Steve's goofus and fewer people died than otherwise would have if she didn't act at all.

Its weird that she gets all the blame for that one but I guess its karma for getting off without more than community service for everything she pulled in Age of Ultron.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82754: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:31:27 PM

[up][up]In my case is not karme is how...off is to leave off the hoot by her action in south africa and them putting ANOTHER awfull thing in another african country.....yeah.

And freud will have a day off with wanda: she hate tony stark, so she allies herself with his "son" Ultron in order to take his "father" and them she start to date with is other "son" Vision....

yeah....

edited 16th Mar '18 1:31:40 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82755: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:32:56 PM

Vision has like five dads. So Tony is only 1/5 his father and Wanda doesn't have to feel weird about dating him. Plus, he's kind of Tony's dad which makes her Tony's mom so she can ground him.

It took a while and some robot dating but revenge accomplished.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82756: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:34:17 PM

So I think is safe to said that wanda is robotsexual, right?

no that is anything wrong with that, just saying...

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82757: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:35:34 PM

Vision barely looks like a robot. And he's got Paul Bethany's face.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#82758: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:36:15 PM

hes a rebot in disguise!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82759: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:37:11 PM

he may be of magic robot origin... but he's a robot. So yeah. Wanda's a robosexual.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82760: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:37:18 PM

[up][up]But is he more than meets the eye?

edited 16th Mar '18 1:37:31 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#82761: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:37:52 PM

definitely

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82762: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:38:24 PM

It actually brings an interesting question. Is Vision (legally) bound by the accords? He's not human. Heck, legally he's not even a person. Does he legally belong to Stark?

Like, I know he respects and supports them, but like, do they legally have authority over him?

edited 16th Mar '18 1:39:00 PM by Ghilz

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82763: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:38:53 PM

He's gonna chu-chu-chu-chu-chu-chu her at least.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82764: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:44:41 PM

Signing the accords might have been an existential coup de grace for him.

Basically forcing them to consider him a person and extend the rights thereof to him instead of treating him as property.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#82765: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:48:55 PM

I'm starting to think that there's a strong possibility that the Soul Gem won't even be in Infinity War at all.

The movie could very well end with the Avengers picking up the pieces after Thanos has successfully seized both the Infinity Stones currently on Earth. The Soul Gem's location would be revealed and it would be clear that the Avenger's don't have a viable way to stop him.

....Then Captain Marvel's existence would be revealed. Likely trapped in stasis somewhere out in space. Either they find her in a stasis pod on whatever alien world they manage to reach in Infinity War, or Nick Fury knew where she was the whole time but lacked the spaceship needed to reach her.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82766: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:51:06 PM

What is right and isn't right regarding Bucky is not a matter of "perspective", it is a matter of law and a matter of moral. Under law he has the right to a fair trial just like everyone else, and just going to shot him is sh... all over the very concept of a lawful country - and him being a war hero turned Po W makes the notion even worse, because the US has a responsibility for him it should met, not conveniently kill off. And from a moral perspective it isn't a question either, he is a victim and he deserves to be treated as such, but even if he weren't, just going around murdering people is not a moral road to take.

[up] Yeah, I am thinking along those lines, too.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:53:45 PM by Swanpride

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82767: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:53:58 PM

Bucky may be a victim but to all appearances he's also a criminal, since instead of submitting when police get to him he beats the shit out of them and legs it.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82768: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:03:12 PM

What is right and isn't right regarding Bucky is not a matter of "perspective", it is a matter of law and a matter of moral. Under law he has the right to a fair trial just like everyone else, and just going to shot him is sh... all over the very concept of a lawful country

Except that, again, they don't just go to shoot him. They arrest him first chance they get. There's no indication besides Steve's words that if Bucky had immediately surrendered they'd have shot him. And Steve's word on this is disputable since they do arrest him. Even after he injured several of them and fled.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82769: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:30:43 PM

[up] Sharon warned Cap that there is a "shot on sight" order out there. That is the main reason why Steve even goes there. They also never even give Bucky an opportunity to surrender, instead they just attack the apartment in which he is in. And they are using weapons designed to kill instead of any of the non-lethal alternatives.

They eventually decide to arrest him because they are in a public place and Cap is right beside him and obviously ready to die before allowing them to shot Bucky. But the movie is pretty clear that if Cap hadn't been there, Bucky would have most likely ended up dead.

edited 16th Mar '18 2:32:11 PM by Swanpride

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82770: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:35:24 PM

I think maybe

Sharon is a Skrull

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#82771: Mar 16th 2018 at 2:56:55 PM

No she's a Kree

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82772: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:00:20 PM

The funny thing is, even Bucky himself agreed that shooting him on sight was "smart strategy." And if history has taught us anything, it's that often governments DON'T try and arrest terrorists (and especially so these days). Sometimes yes, but often they DO just kill them on sight.

As for Steve, no he's not the devil. He's still a really good guy overall and he's right FAR often than he's not. BUT, CW is the first time in these movies that I've come out thinking "yeah Cap you were the one in the wrong here mostly, and you did the majority of escalating this particular conflict." Does that make him evil, no. It just makes him human, he's not right 100% of the time.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82773: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:01:59 PM

That's pretty much my take on things.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82774: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:03:11 PM

Its an interesting similarity between the comic and movie that Tony is the one to offer an olive branch and Cap responds with 'fuck yo couch'

In the movie he had a reason for it but.

I'm also reminded that there was a What If where Cap did just give Tony five minutes to explain his position and ended up coming around because Tony was open and emotionally honest.

Poor communication literally kills Bill Fosters.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82775: Mar 16th 2018 at 3:06:17 PM

[up][up][up] As I already pointed out, Bucky learned tactics from freaking Hydra. Him thinking that it is a good tactic is pretty much a red flag that it is an amoral tactic. Plus, just because something is realistic it doesn't mean that it is morally sound or lawful. I am not bothered by people who think that yeah, this is something which might happen in this situation, I am bothered by people arguing that it is the right thing to do when it so clearly isn't.

edited 16th Mar '18 3:07:27 PM by Swanpride


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