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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82726: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:08:56 PM

[up][up]No offense but I don't trust a person with a Thomas the Tank Engine avatar not to stab me in the back.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82727: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:09:24 PM

[up] .... That's a weirdly specific phobia.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82728: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:10:13 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]

I was gonna say Danny Rand, but he's pretty well covered.

....how about you just go after Wanda. She's got her crimes too.

...no. That's a quagmire. Ok, just take out whoever you want. No need to be picky.

[up][up][up]Edit: You fool. We could have ruled the world. You'll rue this day.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:13:25 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82729: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:10:15 PM

And this just me coming back from a flamewar dealing with someone trying to demonize a series with insane arguments & analysis'.

Huh.

[up][up] Well its a creepy ass image you have to admit.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:10:55 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82730: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:10:38 PM

I constantly mock comic Hawkeye but honestly he deserves it.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82731: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:11:57 PM

@Ghilz: The dumb fuck keeps saying he's retired and then coming back to the job because he's just addicted to putting arrows in people. His family is forced to live in a barn in the middle of Nowhere Ave, Fucksville Wisconsin because of him. He spared a dangerous Soviet spy and let her infiltrate SHIELD, where she did work for HYDRA.

He also claims to have golfed a perfect 18, which means he was either playing minigolf, has superstrength he's been hiding all this time, or is just a lying asshole.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:12:13 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82732: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:12:09 PM

I constantly mock comic Hawkeye but honestly he deserves it.

It's sort of why I suggest movie Hawkeye, coz he's so well adjusted and pleasant compared the comic version.

He also claims to have golfed a perfect 18, which means he was either playing minigolf, has superstrength he's been hiding all this time, or is just a lying asshole.

X_X ROFL

[tup][tup][tup][tup][tup]

Well played sir/ma'am

edited 16th Mar '18 1:15:17 PM by Ghilz

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#82733: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:12:48 PM

Leave him alone,he runs a farm has a family and is not 'superpowered'

I like him because he's relatively normal for a superhero

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82734: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:13:12 PM

I am a little bit resigned at this point....but I am mostly shocked about how okay some people are with the notion that the government is right to just decide that Bucky should be killed. There is nothing okay about this. NOTHING.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82735: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:14:50 PM

I am a little bit resigned at this point....but I am mostly shocked about how okay some people are with the notion that the government is right to just decide that Bucky should be killed. There is nothing okay about this. NOTHING.

I mean, the US Government (Amongst others) does that all the time IRL with drone strikes. That it's Bucky is hardly relevant. And heck, they were willing to try and capture him (Which they did) when they got the chance.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:17:30 PM by Ghilz

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82736: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:14:52 PM

let talk in order

First of all....no, t`challa is not the one sane men here in fact he is the most compromised because he dosent have ANY stakes in the game and in fact he got into a brawl because a personal matter, im surprised the first thing Okoye did wasnt berate him for being so reckless.

Now about steve apologies....I think it sound insencire because it happen to soon after the fight and it kinda he is downplaying is fault into a "we all did mistakes" which is.....annoying.

And if you want to talk about chararter, does nobody notices how Wanda power make everything worst in TWO african countries? probably a coincidence, but I feel T`challa should watch his back the next time this girl does something.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82737: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:15:57 PM

@Swanpride- Well, I agree to the extent that it's people basically thinking that simply because they like Team Stark. But as far as it goes, I think that not taking him alive was an understandable and even appropriate strategy since he was presumed armed and dangerous and thanks to Zemo, suspect of/implicated in other violent acts over the course of the movie.

And I felt that T'Challa hunting him was some in-universe Deliberate Values Dissonance in line with the character's ususal characterization as an Aloof Ally who has his own motives. Although even in this movie, he's kind of "cuddlier" than other takes on the character. Which is IMO not a bad thing.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:18:39 PM by Hodor2

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82738: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:17:23 PM

[up]Is not just zemo, so far people knew Bucky was the guy who kill a lot of people and pretty much a Hydra tool, even Cap being right is more a feeling that outright cfacts.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:17:39 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82739: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:18:00 PM

Wanda's power does not make everything worse in two African countries

Just one.

Things actually would have been worse if she hadn't tried to redirect the Crossbones explosion in terms of more people being dead but she did create an international incident by saving lives.

Its just one of those things.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#82740: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:18:21 PM

[up][up] For the last fucking time...HE WAS BRAINWASHED AGAINST HIS OWN WILL!

edited 16th Mar '18 1:18:31 PM by Luigisan98

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82741: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:18:34 PM

Wanda's power does not make everything worse in two African countries Just one.

2: She releases Hulk in one.

And she blows up a bunch of Wakandan.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82742: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:18:36 PM

I mean, Bucky should have thrown down his weapons and handed himself in. It's understandable why he doesn't and why Steve tries to help him but Bucky's a superpowered ex-assassin and the government has to be very, very careful with him.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82743: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:20:25 PM

[up][up] Crossbones blew up a bunch of Wakandans. Because Steve didn't keep his eye on the ball.

Wanda saved the lives of everyone in that area of the market.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82744: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:21:23 PM

Well, people have said black panther is marvel batman and just like batman, he does things for is own reason and is not need to care about youtongue

[up]she save people in the market....by releasing him into a bulding.

a tradeoff I guess.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:22:01 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#82745: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:21:24 PM

We've killed much more innocent people with less reasons. Killing Bucky is such a blip on the radar.

Not that I agree with the idea of the US executing him but I can see valid reasons for imprisoning him for life.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#82746: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:21:26 PM

[up][up] For the last fucking time...HE WAS BRAINWASHED AGAINST HIS OWN WILL!

So? The US Government (and others) has no reason to believe he's not still controlled by Hydra, or still active as the Winter Soldier. That it's his free will or not hardly matters. The logical thing is to prepare for the worst case scenario.

And again, governments will go drone murder people all the time. Bucky's scenario is less bad in that they try to actually arrest him. They bothered sending people to apprehend him rather than missiling the city block.

[up][nja] What he said.

edited 16th Mar '18 1:21:54 PM by Ghilz

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82747: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:22:11 PM

Just because the US is up to some shady shit it doesn't mean that we should be okay with it, neither in the real nor in the fictional world. I am not saying that a "shot on sight" order isn't realistic (well.....unless you involve the GSG-9, the very point of this unit is to solve difficult situations with the lowest kill count possible), I am saying that this shouldn't be seen as okay strategy, even if Bucky himself sees it that way. Hell, ESPECIALLY since Bucky considers it a good strategy, remember, he learned strategy from Hydra.

I am also not saying that if in the attempt to secure Bucky someone killed Bucky to protect someone would have been murder. I am saying that going into it with a card blanche is just wrong on so many levels.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82748: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:25:20 PM

[up]You are look from public perpective, YOU KNOW bucky is alright, but let see from other point of view.

Bucky is winter soldier, he kill hundred of people for YEARS.

he suddenly disapear and repear again, killing a KING.

You know were he is....

Are you going softball with him?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82749: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:27:41 PM

Not even that, you can't softball him really. He's a friggin cyborg superman. (but not, youknow, that one. You need to shoot to kill or you don't go in at all.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82750: Mar 16th 2018 at 1:29:04 PM

T'Challa has no reason not to kill him really.

Violent super-assassin apparently murdered his father, all bets were off then.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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