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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
She's also not Tony's friend to the same extent that Cap apparently was.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat is actually a philosophy that some people hold: only a guilty man would ever run from police because an innocent man has nothing to fear. It's wrong, but a lot of people believe it.
He wasn't trying to kill Bucky for running. He was trying to kill Bucky for murdering his father. The bit about running was just Confirmation Bias in action. "As I already believe with 100% confidence that you are guilty, the fact that you tried to flee from the law can only be because you are guilty. Point proven."
This is exactly why court trials require an unbiased jury. People who've already formed an opinion are reluctant to accept interpretations of the evidence that conflict with it.
I dont mean they have to think he is inocent, but that MAYBE there is something else here....
In the scenario where T'Chaka was murdered by the Winter Soldier, it would be entirely likely that other people were working with the Winter Soldier. He's not a serial killer, he's a brainwashed Hydra assassin.
Zemo's breakout doesn't look suspicious in that scenario because of course the secret conspiracy that sent Bucky to kill T'Chaka would have other people who could break him out. Evil organizations usually have no trouble finding mooks.
They're going after the deadliest assassin in human history, a man who could easily massacre them all without breaking a sweat, a man who not even Captain America has ever beaten, and you want them to softball it?
You might as well order them to kill themselves now and save Bucky the trouble.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:31:09 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, Steve the Death Eater has become quite a thing since Civil War. The thing is when people say "it is all Tony's fault" they are usually joking. But there is a sub-set of fans which are set on painting Steve as the most terrible human being possible, and I don't quite get it. I mean, the very point of Civil War is that both sides are kind of in the right from their point of view. It is one of the most mature exploration of a conflict I have seen for a long time on screen.
They have Vision. They could have easily captured Bucky with minimal risk if they had even tried.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:40:54 PM by Swanpride
Oh so Steve didn’t make a bullshit attempt at an apology in which he largely ignored how he’d fucked up and made it all about himself?
If I were going Ron the Death Eater, I’d call Steve a close minded bigot for his “there’s only one God” line in the Avengers or call him an anti-intellectual Ludite for his nonsense about how stopping wars before they start is bad.
I’ve known people like Steve Rogers in real life. They’re the worst kind of people not because they’re outright malicious but because they never think how their actions will hurt other people.
You forgot attempting to fraudulently enlist in the army (for which he should have been in prison), dumping info on every SHIELD agent and thus leaving them vulnerable to enemy agents in WS, the mission in Lagos which according to a tie-in comic wasn’t even to stop Crossbones but to chase another Bucky lead, attacking Tony on Wanda’s word despite having zero reason to trust her and recruiting her to the Avengers. Yeah, there’s a whole bunch of ways Steve has been wrong going all the way back to his first film, whether the narrative acknowledges it or not.
And Tony went ballistic due to the stress of the last few days, the manner in which this news was broken to him and the fact that Rogers lied to him.
I have been reading a lot of reviews and think pieces of Civil War and I can assure you the "it's all Tony's fault" line of thinking is NOT a joke. There is an entire faction of fans who blame Tony and Tony alone for how things went down. Even the film makers get in on it saying that Tony's siding with the accords show him as emotionally compromised without Pepper. Steve the death eater is nowhere near as common as Tony the Nazi.
The united nation is a bunch of governments, a some of them with a lot less ethics than the US quite frankly.
"You forgot attempting to fraudulently enlist in the army (for which he should have been in prison)"
Now I know you're just screwing with us. This was the second world war, loads of people were trying to enlist in the army underage. If you weren't it would be practically unpatriotic.
Of Steve's other stuff? Some of it is questionable, sure. But it's the kind of questionable stuff that crops up in every superhero movie a little bit. I don't think any of those moments are really that serious.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:43:30 PM by Sigilbreaker26
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"So should Tony for flying an unlicensed maned aircraft in public airspace with no consideration for local laws or traffic control. Or that time he destroyed 2 USAF Aircrafts. Or violated a no fly zone.
Or detonated a reactor in a large city.
I mean, if we're going to be petty about this :-p
edited 16th Mar '18 12:52:00 PM by Ghilz
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No, this is still pretty big Ron the Death Eater, which I'd suggest you stop because a good deal of this is over-exaggerated nonsense.
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I mean hell, Steve was trying to fight the Nazis, why would this even be a bad thing in the first place?
edited 16th Mar '18 12:53:34 PM by AdricDePsycho
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?I mean, if you're going to bring up Iron Man 1 against him, Tony did a lot more than just flying an unmanned aircraft over Gulmira. I've half-jokingly called the Civil War-era Avengers "Violence Tourists" to describe their habit of unlawfully crossing into other countries for the purpose of inflicting violence on folks within those sovereign borders, but Tony was the original Violence Tourist.
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The "not Steve friendly" tag at AO 3 is way, waaaaaaay more common than even the "Team Steve" tag.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:53:40 PM by Swanpride
That’s your defense for this? Everyone was doing it and poor little Steve just wanted to fit in?
Steve’s health conditions alone would have made him a disaster waiting to happen for any unit he served with. You wanna know the easiest way to die in war? It isn’t from enemy fire but from saving a useless team mate.
"telling the nations of the world to fuck off when said nations demand their sovereign rights be respected?"
Almost every superhero does this to a greater or smaller extent in some fashion.
Oh, and Scarlet Witch is a former Neo-Nazi. Like, hardly what you're gonna put on your instagram profile, but she's reformed and is making an effort to atone.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:57:04 PM by Sigilbreaker26
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It's not like Steve was hiding any of his health conditions. He was honest about all of them, the only thing he did was trying under different names. This might have tied up the time of some doctors, but the whole "don't lie on your enlistment forms" sign was more about people making up reasons why they shouldn't be subjected to the draft, not about people making up a name.
Also, the UN is a well-meaning body overall because it encourages communications between the different countries, but it is hardly a democratic or above all reproach entity. How could it be considering how many members are dictatorships.
edited 16th Mar '18 12:57:51 PM by Swanpride
It's a manned aircraft. I was also thinking of his test earlier with the Prototype armor over the city he lives in.
@Swanpride- Yeah. I mean's that's literally where 4F and other classifications came in. People who were drafted or wanted to enlist when to draft offices and then were turned down for various measures of unfitness. And for that matter, it was definitely a thing for people who wanted to serve but met a disqualification standard lying and serving anyway. Not sure how much in World War II, since there was probably more of a bureaucracy to catch it, but plenty of people who were underage served in previous wars.
But yes, windleopard, pretty much all of your points are Ron the Death Eater to a particularly extreme level.
edited 16th Mar '18 1:01:22 PM by Hodor2
How about pointing out how it’s inaccurate instead of accusing me of going Ron the Death Eater.
Yeah, um, read what I said again
Ok Windleopard.
If you handle shitting on Steve, and I continue to handle (jokingly) shitting on Tony, we'll corner the market for mocking MCU characters.
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Exactly, I'm perplexed at the constant demonization the protagonists are getting from others these days.
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