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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#82676: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:20:11 AM

Don’t let Tony near it. Last time he had just one stone he created a murderbot army.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82677: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:21:58 AM

I kind of predict some combination of Thanos winning and the finding Victory Is Boring (and maybe halucinating or recreating slain Avengers Emperor Joker style) and Steve or Tony using the gauntlet to undo everything Thanos did before using its power to destroy the gauntlet (and in the process themselves).

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#82678: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:22:37 AM

Okoye's just like "Fucking white people bringing their shit here again..."

My various fanfics.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82679: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:22:43 AM

My personal theory is that the whole movie will be about them trying to stop Thanos from getting all the stones and then they loose, leading to a big chase through the universe in order to get to him before he manages to get to the last stone - which is the soul stone.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82680: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:24:11 AM

[up][up] Amusing in that she really can't blame white people for this.

Thanos was always gonna come no matter what.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:24:18 AM by slimcoder

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82681: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:28:06 AM

I mean, Odin putting the Tesseract on Earth is what drew Thanos's attention to it in the first place.

Let's blame Odin. And whichever Sorceror Supreme got ahold of the Time Stone.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:28:37 AM by Anomalocaris20

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82682: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:34:42 AM

Faults to be allocated:

Tesseract: Odin
Eye of Agamotto: lets say the Ancient One
Aether which was kinda but kinda not on Earth: Bor
Third Eye/Mind Stone: Thanos.

Man, fuck Asgard. I'm glad it blew up.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82683: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:36:55 AM

> Man, fuck Asgard. I'm glad it blew up.

At the cost of making an entire race homeless?Did they truly deserve to suffer for someone's else faults?

edited 16th Mar '18 11:37:06 AM by Ultimatum

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82684: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:39:31 AM

I am 100% on board with blaming Odin for sticking the tesseract on Earth and Red Skull for bringing it into play.

Loki theory in spoiler tags.

I think Loki is gonna have a Redemption Equals Death. He’s been shifting toward good, and it would be a good conclusion to his arc after working for Thanos/bringing the Avengers together. Bruce somehow lands in the Sanctum in the trailer. How? Thanos didn’t attack the Asgardians over Earth, which means Bruce got portaled there. Who can wield the tesseract to portal Bruce? Thor? Not his speed. Loki will use the tesseract to blast Bruce to Earth to warn everyone -Loki’s been in the Sanctum, after all. It’ll be played as Loki being evil “grr, haha tell your friends Thanos is coming” but actually be Loki being helpful. He’ll be on Thanos’ side most of the movie, betray him to save Thor’s life, and then die for real.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:40:31 AM by wisewillow

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#82685: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:39:54 AM

[up][up]Why not?

Everyone else suffers for Tony's screw ups. It's only fair the Asgardians get that as well.

[up] That's not how you do Spoiler tags. It's like this:

[spoiler: The thing I want to say]]

Only you have to use two brackets for both. I left out one to show what it looks like. Here's the proper one:

The thing I want to say

edited 16th Mar '18 11:42:28 AM by HandsomeRob

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82686: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:40:05 AM

[up][up]That's why I never thought the theory of Heimdall having the Soul Stone would pan out. C'mon, that's how many Stones in or related to Asgard, now?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82687: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:42:52 AM

@ultimatum Yes they deserve to suffer and I hope they burn in Hela!tongue

See, I disagree there. Even if Bucky had been guilty, he would STILL have been a Po W who was tortured for decades and deserves better than just getting gunned down to make the world feel more comfortable. The stated goal should have been from the get go "catch him alive and then we see what we can do".
The GS 9 team didn’t start shooting until Steve and Bucky were throwing punches. They were authorised to use lethal force if they couldn’t bring him in alive. Of course, Barnes likely would have turned himself in if not for Steve showing up and spooking him.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:46:25 AM by windleopard

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82688: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:44:08 AM

Do you really believe that?

I'm pretty sure Bucky would have fought to escape.

Hell, Steve prevented him from killing a few guys, and definitely prevented T'challa from killing Bucky right then and there.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82689: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:44:17 AM

They'll come out of this fine and/or dead. But if they come out of it fine they'll get a neat floating city about the corn states or Norway.

And neat floating cities are what its all about.

To be more specific and fair, fuck Odin and also his dad and also his daughter even though I don't think she was involved in this specifically.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82690: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:48:52 AM

For some reason, which I don't understand, windleopard basically sees Steve as like the evil Nazi version of the character. So he sees every action by Steve as bad and/or ill-intentioned.

edited 16th Mar '18 11:49:28 AM by Hodor2

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82692: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:50:40 AM

Do you really believe that?

Well, Bucky tends to make pretty smart decisions when he doesn't Have Steve leading him by the ear, so yes.

Hell, Steve prevented him from killing a few guys, and definitely prevented T'challa from killing Bucky right then and there.

Too bad he didn't do squat about the guy Bucky tossed off a motorcycle or the civilians in that tunnel he collapsed. And I'm not sure how helpful he was giving we see Barnes smashing a cinderblock into a guy's chest.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82694: Mar 16th 2018 at 11:59:09 AM

[up]Eh, I hear they give you gas. tongue

For some reason, which I don't understand, windleopard basically sees Steve as like the evil Nazi version of the character.

I don’t see Steve as evil or a nazi (he’s not intelligent enough to be either tongue). But on a serious note I see Steve as a somewhat well-meaning but misguided man who tends to solve his issues with his fists rather than his words and tends to be extremely short sighted when it comes to proving himself or his past is involved. And really, even Chris Evans has pointed this out. And he has far too many in-universe enablers to see how dangerous he’s becoming.

Basically, he’s a lesson in what happens when a legend becomes bigger than the man it’s based on. He's more like the Mark Millar Steve but slightly nicer.

I really do hope Infinity War has Steve finally take a good look at himself and reconsider his actions but I doubt it.

edited 16th Mar '18 12:01:54 PM by windleopard

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82695: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:00:43 PM

End of Civil War had Steve admit he fucked up.

Not all the ways he fucked up but he at least acknowledge that he made a huge boner there regarding one specific thing.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82696: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:07:45 PM

That apology never struck me as sincere for two reasons:

1) Steve does the one thing you should never do when making apology; trying to gain sympathy from the person he's apologizing to. "I've been alone since I was a kid" is not what he should be saying if he wants to apologize to Tony. Also, you've been alone since you were a kid? What's Bucky, chopped liver? You pretty much steamrolled over everyone in this film for him and now you're basically pretending he doesn't exist.

2) Steve doesn't apologize for all the other crap he pulled and the fact that he's basically been an asshole to Tony since they met. Nor does he consider that maybe, just maybe, he was in the wrong regarding the Accords. That "Tony Stank" bit didn't help either.

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#82697: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:12:48 PM

Yeah, uh, kinda leaning towards Ron the Death Eater there.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#82698: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:14:17 PM

The only times Cap's really been in the wrong was being too energetic about getting Bucky back in Civil War but A. he was right even if he went about it in the wrong way and B. the detail he withheld from Tony was that Bucky killed his parents while being mind controlled, and it was Tony who went ballistic even though he logically should know that Bucky had zero control over his actions.

The accords, as per the original comic, are a sensible idea handled just pathetically by Tony constantly bowing and scraping to the government. While yes, Scarlet Witch made a mistake, it should be noted that that government had let its premier secret service be run by frikkin Nazis for the better part of 50 years. They're bitching about collateral damage when they actually tried to nuke New York.

So honestly Steve apologising isn't something we should be picking apart.

edited 16th Mar '18 12:17:18 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#82699: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:16:39 PM

That "Tony Stank" bit didn't help either.

Pretty sure that's not something Rogers wrote, but the delivery man (Who is kind of old and Stan Lee-ish) misreading the label coz of poor eyesight.

and the fact that he's basically been an asshole to Tony since they met

That's sort of been very mutual.

edited 16th Mar '18 12:18:53 PM by Ghilz

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#82700: Mar 16th 2018 at 12:16:47 PM

I didn't read Tony Stank as a deliberate zing by Steve. More Stan Lee the mailman having trouble reading his writing and Rhodey running with it because best friend privileges mean mocking your friends forever. FRIENDSHIP.

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