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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Civil War pointedly refrains from even bringing it up. Stark faces down an angry mother who's upset about Sokovia and the U.N. makes the Avengers sign the Accords, but only the collateral damage really gets talked about.
It's not even really clear if the public knows where Ultron came from or that he existed at all in more specifics than "Headline: Avengers fight some dude; third-world country gets exploded".
edited 15th Mar '18 2:06:14 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Gonna shift the blame right on Thanos when he shows up.
"HEY ITS THAT GUY THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ROBOT"
"Yeah and he's probably the one who leaked all of SHIELD's secrets too"
"Dude"
"What? Like you're the only one that gets to pawn his problems off on a purple man from space, Stark?"
Thanos recruited a teenage Spider-Man to fight the Avengers.
Thanos called Ronan to tell him that the Guardians were on Knowhere.
Thanos sent Thor on a pointless vision quest to the mysterious Wading Pool of Mild Discomfort.
Thanos cast Tilda Swinton to play the Ancient One.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Pshh. We all know Thanos is just doing his master Tony Stark's bidding. He's coming to earth to (violently) free us of armoured oppression.
But getting serious, he probably is to blame for Ultron, since it's pretty clear anyone with that staff would have built the latter eventually. The fact that the Vision was exactly what they intended Ultron to be confirms that.
One Strip! One Strip!Thanos, reclining in his throne in front of his prisoners as he observes earth's Internet: Ah, I see you fell afoul of the dark mind I implanted in the mind stone.
Banner: That was you then, was it? You sabbatoaged the Ultron project. Every aspect of that thing tore this team apart and all of it was you.
Thanos: Wait, why has this robot got an amazing butt? I didn't program it to have a great butt.
Banner, blushing: okay, most of it was you.
That was one of the things that bugged me about Civil War. What, the Avengers are responsible for every bit of collateral damage when they can only take on five enemies at a time? Is Captain America supposed to stop a building from collapsing? Were the Avengers supposed to let New York be nuked?
The only things the Avengers did that were purely and clearly their fault was the Nigeria fight and Wanda accidentally throwing Crossbones's bomb at that aid building.
Regarding Hope being closer to 40, one of the things that made Iron Man different was that he was much older than other superhero protagonists, who were more typically in their 20's. It took the whole premise of "What am I doing with my life?" to a different place, as instead of the growing up metaphor it's more of a mid-life crisis, which has underlined Tony's character from the beginning. It wasn't until Homecoming that the MCU has really embraced a growing up metaphor.
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My bet is that that's an excuse. Countries don't want Avengers in their territory because they're afraid the Avengers will maybe bring them to justice.
"We'd rather no one delt with our problems because our problems disproportionatly target political groups that inconvenience us"
Edit: I really am quite fond of the age range the MCU is cultivating.
edited 15th Mar '18 2:49:21 PM by Whowho
MCU wracked up a bunch of love from the Saturn Award nominations.
Black Panther has the most nominations and Chadwick Boseman, Lupita Nyong'o, Michael B. Jordan, Danai Gurira, Letitia Wright, Tom Holland, Michael Keaton, Michael Rooker and Tessa Thompson all got acting nominations.
edited 15th Mar '18 3:44:39 PM by comicwriter
I'm not inclined to blame Steve for the Potomac. The Helicarrier wreckage had to fall somewhere. Physics put them into the Potomac.
Given the timeframe they were operating on, there's not really any way that they could have done a better job minimizing the damage. You can't even say that trained experts in a legitimate body of authority would do better, because it was a legitimate body of authority that gave Hydra those Helicarriers in the first place. S.H.I.E.L.D. was already on the scene, courtesy of the fact that it was actually happening at S.H.I.E.L.D.
I'm strongly opposed to the Avengers having a Get Out of International Law Free Card and I definitely don't like the way his civic duty goes out the window any time Bucky's involved, but so far as Hydra and the Insight Helicarriers are concerned, Steve did nothing wrong.
edited 15th Mar '18 7:12:22 PM by TobiasDrake
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Yep, I think Hope says she was eight when her mother went missing during the cold War.