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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82526: Mar 15th 2018 at 12:26:36 PM

Yep, I think Hope says she was eight when her mother went missing during the cold War.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82527: Mar 15th 2018 at 1:57:10 PM

If Shuri and Bruce meet, I wonder if she’ll bring up the whole Ultron thing.

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#82528: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:01:37 PM

Isn't Stark solely blamed for that in-universe?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82529: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:03:29 PM

We don’t know because Bruce hasn’t been on Earth since.

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#82531: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:05:46 PM

Civil War pointedly refrains from even bringing it up. Stark faces down an angry mother who's upset about Sokovia and the U.N. makes the Avengers sign the Accords, but only the collateral damage really gets talked about.

It's not even really clear if the public knows where Ultron came from or that he existed at all in more specifics than "Headline: Avengers fight some dude; third-world country gets exploded".

edited 15th Mar '18 2:06:14 PM by TobiasDrake

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#82532: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:07:37 PM

Gonna shift the blame right on Thanos when he shows up.

"HEY ITS THAT GUY THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ROBOT"
"Yeah and he's probably the one who leaked all of SHIELD's secrets too"
"Dude"
"What? Like you're the only one that gets to pawn his problems off on a purple man from space, Stark?"

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#82533: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:16:57 PM

Thanos recruited a teenage Spider-Man to fight the Avengers.

Thanos called Ronan to tell him that the Guardians were on Knowhere.

Thanos sent Thor on a pointless vision quest to the mysterious Wading Pool of Mild Discomfort.

Thanos cast Tilda Swinton to play the Ancient One.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82534: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:18:22 PM

Thanos died for all your sins.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82535: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:23:05 PM

Thanos murdered uncle ben then flew away laughing in his Thanocopter

edited 15th Mar '18 2:23:16 PM by Ultimatum

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#82536: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:25:35 PM

Thanos is Danny Rand.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#82537: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:27:46 PM

Pshh. We all know Thanos is just doing his master Tony Stark's bidding. He's coming to earth to (violently) free us of armoured oppression.

But getting serious, he probably is to blame for Ultron, since it's pretty clear anyone with that staff would have built the latter eventually. The fact that the Vision was exactly what they intended Ultron to be confirms that.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82538: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:41:55 PM

Thanos, reclining in his throne in front of his prisoners as he observes earth's Internet: Ah, I see you fell afoul of the dark mind I implanted in the mind stone.

Banner: That was you then, was it? You sabbatoaged the Ultron project. Every aspect of that thing tore this team apart and all of it was you.

Thanos: Wait, why has this robot got an amazing butt? I didn't program it to have a great butt.

Banner, blushing: okay, most of it was you.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#82539: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:42:06 PM

That was one of the things that bugged me about Civil War. What, the Avengers are responsible for every bit of collateral damage when they can only take on five enemies at a time? Is Captain America supposed to stop a building from collapsing? Were the Avengers supposed to let New York be nuked?

The only things the Avengers did that were purely and clearly their fault was the Nigeria fight and Wanda accidentally throwing Crossbones's bomb at that aid building.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82540: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:45:06 PM

Dead aliens are notoriously bad at being fiscally liable for property damages.

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KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#82541: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:45:34 PM

Regarding Hope being closer to 40, one of the things that made Iron Man different was that he was much older than other superhero protagonists, who were more typically in their 20's. It took the whole premise of "What am I doing with my life?" to a different place, as instead of the growing up metaphor it's more of a mid-life crisis, which has underlined Tony's character from the beginning. It wasn't until Homecoming that the MCU has really embraced a growing up metaphor.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82542: Mar 15th 2018 at 2:46:59 PM

[up][up][up]My bet is that that's an excuse. Countries don't want Avengers in their territory because they're afraid the Avengers will maybe bring them to justice.

"We'd rather no one delt with our problems because our problems disproportionatly target political groups that inconvenience us"

Edit: I really am quite fond of the age range the MCU is cultivating.

edited 15th Mar '18 2:49:21 PM by Whowho

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82543: Mar 15th 2018 at 3:44:30 PM

MCU wracked up a bunch of love from the Saturn Award nominations. Black Panther has the most nominations and Chadwick Boseman, Lupita Nyong'o, Michael B. Jordan, Danai Gurira, Letitia Wright, Tom Holland, Michael Keaton, Michael Rooker and Tessa Thompson all got acting nominations.

edited 15th Mar '18 3:44:39 PM by comicwriter

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#82545: Mar 15th 2018 at 5:24:35 PM

[up] So, should we forget about Monica Rambeau then? sad

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82546: Mar 15th 2018 at 5:27:23 PM

They'll probably just recast her. Depending on the size of her role, the alternative would be changing a lot more than simply re-acclimatizing with a new actress would be.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82547: Mar 15th 2018 at 5:55:25 PM

Marvel's ability to cast surprising and enjoyable actors for their roles is one of their strongest strengths, so I don't doubt their ability to replace her.

I know first hand though that it's a blow to set moral when someone has to leave mid shoot.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82548: Mar 15th 2018 at 7:06:01 PM

What, the Avengers are responsible for every bit of collateral damage when they can only take on five enemies at a time?
If they can only deal with five enemies at a time, then they’ve got no business taking on alien invaders and terrorist organizations. See the thing about being legally recognized peace keepers is that you get the necessary resources to better avoid things like collateral damage. It also means you can’t recruit neo nazi terrorists with little control over their powers.
The only things the Avengers did that were purely and clearly their fault was the Nigeria fight and Wanda accidentally throwing Crossbones's bomb at that aid building.
There’s also Steve dropping the helicarriers into the Potomar River and Ultron due to Wanda screwing with Tony’s head and Steve actually telling Tony and Bruce to run tests on the staff.

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#82549: Mar 15th 2018 at 7:10:36 PM

I'm not inclined to blame Steve for the Potomac. The Helicarrier wreckage had to fall somewhere. Physics put them into the Potomac.

Given the timeframe they were operating on, there's not really any way that they could have done a better job minimizing the damage. You can't even say that trained experts in a legitimate body of authority would do better, because it was a legitimate body of authority that gave Hydra those Helicarriers in the first place. S.H.I.E.L.D. was already on the scene, courtesy of the fact that it was actually happening at S.H.I.E.L.D.

I'm strongly opposed to the Avengers having a Get Out of International Law Free Card and I definitely don't like the way his civic duty goes out the window any time Bucky's involved, but so far as Hydra and the Insight Helicarriers are concerned, Steve did nothing wrong.

edited 15th Mar '18 7:12:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#82550: Mar 15th 2018 at 7:26:12 PM

Knowing Tony, I can't imagine he didn't build those things without kill switches. Admittedly, that would require calling other heroes for outside help which these movie largely don't do except for Avengers movies.


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