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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I thought that more or less happened at the end of Thor Ragnarok? The Bruce dying thing.
I'll believe that when I see it. I mean, that's what Ragnarok asserted, but it's one of those developments where it's like, "That's cool, movie, but you know none of the future movies are going to care that you did that, right?"
Like Tony blowing up all of his suits.
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My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.To be fair, they kinda had to do that or she'd explode.
One Strip! One Strip!Banner/Hulk dying actually does seem like something that could happen. They still can't make a solo Hulk movie, and death is basically the only way the character could find some peace anyway. Ragnarok, though in a largely comedic way, also introduces the idea that Banner is effectively doomed anyway and that hes really resigned about it. I could see them adapting him as a Death Seeker.
But most importantly, he's the Avengers' biggest gun. Simply by way of either making things more difficult for the heroes and showing how screwed the universe's biggest threat is, Hulk falling is a possibility.
It's actually kind of funny: we do a lot of thinking about whether Tony or Steve is going to bite it, but people rarely bring up Banner as a possibility.
Age of Ultron was weirdly committed to having just the core Avengers for most of the film and nobody else. Like how Sam shows up at Tony's party but the Falcon doesn't fight alongside them. Or how when Ultron hijacks the Iron Legion, Rhodey is tossed out a window first thing and never seen after that for the rest of the fight. Then he shows up in the Sokovia fight but is kept only to the sidelines. It feels like Whedon didn't want to bring in any of the supporting casts into the team until literally the end of the film.
edited 14th Mar '18 7:39:22 PM by Tuckerscreator
There's a logic to that I think. I imagine it gets pretty difficult to balance so many characters in a large fight like that.
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It's on record that Joss Whedon did not want the various supporting characters in the first Avengers movie, and RDJ had to fight to get Pepper's cameo in. I am guessing that Whedon only relented and put Falcon and War Machine in Age of Ultron because he needed other characters to fill out the ranks of the new Avengers team at the end.
Otherwise, the New Avengers would've been like three people...
True. But it stands out in retrospect how he found an alright reason to keep Maria Hill involved in the Legion fight (just crouching on the sidelines shooting her gun) without overcomplicating the choreography, while Rhodey was "Quick! Out the window before anybody notices!"
Plus he gets shot with a direct repulsor hit to the chest in the process, which kinda blows out the tension once that reveals the Legion bots don't actually have any lethal weapons.
edited 14th Mar '18 7:46:13 PM by Tuckerscreator
There is a tricky balance to determining what characters are most valuable for a fight and which ones can be shelved. Civil War was pretty good at attaining that balance, as it managed to pull two decent duels against Iron Man by emphasizing the difference between him holding back and him going all out for the kill. Or how it sneakily chose Black Widow to disappear from the airport fight via the distraction of all the other flashier characters, so when she abruptly reappears again the viewer reaction isn't "why she was wasted" and instead "oops we forgot to keep track of the spy..."
edited 14th Mar '18 7:56:38 PM by Tuckerscreator
Because giving Pepper a suit and having her be a self-sufficient heroine in her own right would get in the way of writing her as a very traditional love interest, which Marvel still has a fixation on with the occasional exception.
I've mentioned before that the "compromise" they went with in IM 3 - having Pepper be variably a source of manpain, a hostage or an ineffectual prop, but with two moments of limited badassery (one of which was mostly her delivering Tony's suit to him, and the other of which was more ridiculous and overblown than effective) - was insincere and didn't really help.
edited 14th Mar '18 8:06:59 PM by KnownUnknown
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Yeah the only character I feel wasn't used well was Vision, who just kinda disappears until he's needed at the end.
Flying Brick characters can be hard to use properly in an ensemble.
edited 14th Mar '18 8:48:26 PM by comicwriter
Tony only fucked up like 70% of things. A nice comfortable lead but there's still room for people like Drax to fuck up. Or for Hydra to have culpability for their own actions like murder and such. Not to mention Hank Pym.
And Tony only is responsible for more bad things than others because he gets more screentime.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWell after Iron Man 3 the MCU doesn't seem hugely invested in Iron Man-centric movies anyway, if a War Machine movie isn't on the docket they aren't going to go for a Rescue movie. Creating a sidekick movie is a logistical nightmare for studio and the audience, as it causes all sorts of questions about why the big name hero is now a supporting character (if at all). Homecoming did a good job reiterating that it is a Spider-Man movie by letting Tony show up at key moments of the story but otherwise make it understandable (and not forced) why he isn't next to Peter every step of the way.
The alternative is to remove pretty much all the connective elements between different characters so that they don't complicate the character and their story. That can work, The Dark Knight Saga has Batman as the only superhero and about 1/4 of his regular supporting cast (no actual Robins, all his tech guys were rolled into Lucius, all police allies rolled into Gordon), but you also risk removing a lot of what makes the character interesting. Steel removed all connections to Superman, and there wasn't much left to the character without that hero worship element. So, going back on topic, giving Pepper a movie as Rescue would require you to take Tony largely out of the story, and his existence is sort of what would sell the movie at all.

Banner could die,but Hulk then takes over completely,and everyone is screwed when that happens
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