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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82451: Mar 14th 2018 at 10:28:04 AM

I saw it as the eternal flame being the power source and Hela the technique

The same flame in Surtr's hands only destroys

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82452: Mar 14th 2018 at 10:37:38 AM

...what would happen if Thor or Loki tried to use it?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82453: Mar 14th 2018 at 10:39:46 AM

An excellent question which I have no answer to

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82454: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:11:51 AM

So, is Surtur still around, or...

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#82455: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:19:30 AM

[up] IIRC he was blown up along with Asgard during the finale.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82456: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:19:55 AM

[up]Who cares.tongue

"From a logical point of view, this role should have fallen to Thor from the get go because he is the only one of the Avengers who can easily take a punch from the Hulk. (and honestly, I loved that he tried it in Ragnarök, even though it didn't work, because why the hell shouldn't he?). And if not him, than Steve would have taken the risk personally instead of relegating it to the weakest member (physically, not in terms of fighting abilities) of the team."

Think is in narrative sense Widow is the best choice because she is the one who can talk to others: Steve is to rigid, tony too chaotic and Thor dosent have taking skills(just look in ragnarok, it shows) while Widow can be calm enought to actually engage with others, also she is the other avenger aside of him who dosent really like fighting or their habilities and for go reason.

In short it will be defining Banner to hulk and no the other way around.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82457: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:30:41 AM

Yeah one of her talents is being able to talk to/manipulate people. Thor, love you man, but he couldn't talk his way out of a wet paper bag.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82458: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:31:51 AM

On the other hand, in Avengers Bruce trusted her less than anyone else. Because she manipulates people for her job.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82459: Mar 14th 2018 at 11:34:34 AM

Surtr is supposed to die with Asgard. In fact, he says as much in his first scene that he cannot die until he performs Ragnarok.

I guess he just hates Asgard that much that he's willing to die just to fulfill a prophecy.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82460: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:10:44 PM

She was so good in "manipulating" the Hulk that he nearly killed her in The Avengers. While Thor could easily fight side by side with him.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#82461: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:20:09 PM

I can understand the logic for Natasha being the one to talk Bruce down from his Hulk-outs because of her people skill.

I strongly disagree with the choice to make her the love interest for a man she's literally terrified of. That is awful feminism, Joss.

But I also disagree with the logic that Thor should be doing it instead. Any time Thor and the Hulk see each other, they get excited. They want to fight. They love throwing down. Hulk punches Thor for no reason several times in the series.

This is fundamentally irreconcilable with being the person who calms the Hulk down. That person should have a calming influence, not get him raring for a no-holds-barred bare-knuckle brawl.

edited 14th Mar '18 12:21:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#82462: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:30:43 PM

[up]Well, she likes Bruce, not the Hulk. Sure, everyone's scared of the Hulk, but no one's scared of Bruce Banner himself.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82463: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:31:29 PM

[up][up] I am not set on Thor. I would have taken Steve to. Or anyone else the Hulk can't kill with one single hit.

Anyway, not sure if anyone read the article one page back, but it is kind of funny that the main reason Marvel picked Ironman as first movie were toy sales. And then it didn't even work. [lol]

edited 14th Mar '18 12:35:05 PM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82464: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:37:20 PM

Bruce dosent trust her because she is agent of Shield, once that worff off they get along.

Tobias: I can see why a romance would devopt from that, problem is: Wheedon went from poin A) they share some bond to point B) they devolpt a romance, with NOTHING in between.

that is what dooms the whole thing out, there is not naunce or little things between them, it just....kinda of happens.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#82465: Mar 14th 2018 at 12:56:43 PM

As someone who didn't mind the Bruce/Natasha thing, nor did I find it "sexist" at all (and I tend to have little tolerance for such things, so that's saying something), I have no issue with it coming back

That doesn't invalidate it being sexist. Like, at all. That doesn't even say anything, it just says you specifically don't think it's sexist when numerous other people have stated that they found it to be grossly sexist. The relationship is still sexist bullshit.

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#82466: Mar 14th 2018 at 1:17:18 PM

She stopped being scared of the Hulk by the end of the first movie, when she explicitly said that she was fine with Bruce Hulking out for the final battle. It stopped being a thing in Avengers, and hasn't been a thing for years by Age of Ultron.

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#82467: Mar 14th 2018 at 1:21:59 PM

The film could’ve done a better job of picking up where the previous ones left off rather than having so much massive offscreen development disconnected from the other Phase 2 films supposedly leading to here.

edited 14th Mar '18 1:22:23 PM by Tuckerscreator

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#82468: Mar 14th 2018 at 1:43:19 PM

Yeah, honestly. The main problem with Brucetasha is just how sudden it was. Could it have happened eventually? Sure! But there was no need to shoehorn in that romance in Age of Ultron when we'd only seen them interact in one movie at that point and they weren't necessarily super close. And yeah, it really reeks of, oh, we gotta set the girl of the team up with some guy, because what else is the point of having a girl on the team if she's not gonna make out with one of the guys?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82469: Mar 14th 2018 at 2:19:09 PM

[up][up]It dosent helpt that unlike phase one that clearly want to go into the avengers, AOU just happen, it show in how much it have to devolpt, no wonder wheedon burn out like he did.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82470: Mar 14th 2018 at 2:50:42 PM

I say bring on She Hulk,give Bruce someone he can relate to who has close family ties to him

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#82471: Mar 14th 2018 at 3:02:00 PM

Alright, so after weeks of real-life bullshit getting in my family's way, we finally went to see Black Panther. Hoooooly hell, that was awesome. A strong contender for my favorite movie in the whole MCU, which is no small feat. It just gets so, so much right. Also Killmonger is maybe my new favorite MCU villain.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82472: Mar 14th 2018 at 3:59:05 PM

She Hulk runs the issue of Universal still having the rights to solo-Hulk mythos movies, requiring her to be introduced and primarily used either in an ensemble or in other characters' movies.

Not that that's impossible, just difficult.

Maybe, say, in the Fantastic 4's inevitable reboot one of the major supporting characters is their lawyer, named Jennifer. We all know she's Jennifer Walters, but the characters don't know what that means yet. Then over the course of the main plot she ends up in the wrong place and gets critically injured by the Big Bad, so before the climax the Four have to save her. They discover she's Bruce Banner's cousin, but get their hands on his blood and give her a transfusion despite the risk. She seems fine at the end. Then the after credits scene has her transform into She Hulk. In the sequel she joins the Four as a semi-member.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#82473: Mar 14th 2018 at 4:49:38 PM

She stopped being scared of the Hulk by the end of the first movie, when she explicitly said that she was fine with Bruce Hulking out for the final battle. It stopped being a thing in Avengers, and hasn't been a thing for years by Age of Ultron.

No, she didn't.

  • Bruce: So, this all seems horrible.
  • Natasha: (pointedly) I've seen worse.
  • Bruce: ...sorry.
  • Natasha: No. We could use worse.

She straight up says that being chased down by the Hulk was worse than the Chitauri invasion. Following that up with, "We could use worse," does not mean she is no longer afraid. It means she's a courageous person who is willing to deal with it despite her fear because the Godzilla Threshold has been crossed.

She hasn't lost her fear. She's just willing to tolerate him as an ally in extreme circumstances despite how afraid of him she is. That's a reasonable level of groundwork for her to have a character arc in Age of Ultron about letting go of her fear of the Hulk. It is not a reasonable groundwork for her to spontaneously start sleeping with him.

edited 14th Mar '18 4:51:24 PM by TobiasDrake

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#82474: Mar 14th 2018 at 5:13:50 PM

From Natasha's point of view, she's also a someone worse who the good guys work with only because being something worse than the bad guys makes them useful. The way she sees it, they deserve each other.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#82475: Mar 14th 2018 at 6:07:59 PM

I'm really curious what's next for Banner. I could see him actually dying

35 year old white man.

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