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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Who cares.
"From a logical point of view, this role should have fallen to Thor from the get go because he is the only one of the Avengers who can easily take a punch from the Hulk. (and honestly, I loved that he tried it in Ragnarök, even though it didn't work, because why the hell shouldn't he?). And if not him, than Steve would have taken the risk personally instead of relegating it to the weakest member (physically, not in terms of fighting abilities) of the team."
Think is in narrative sense Widow is the best choice because she is the one who can talk to others: Steve is to rigid, tony too chaotic and Thor dosent have taking skills(just look in ragnarok, it shows) while Widow can be calm enought to actually engage with others, also she is the other avenger aside of him who dosent really like fighting or their habilities and for go reason.
In short it will be defining Banner to hulk and no the other way around.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I can understand the logic for Natasha being the one to talk Bruce down from his Hulk-outs because of her people skill.
I strongly disagree with the choice to make her the love interest for a man she's literally terrified of. That is awful feminism, Joss.
But I also disagree with the logic that Thor should be doing it instead. Any time Thor and the Hulk see each other, they get excited. They want to fight. They love throwing down. Hulk punches Thor for no reason several times in the series.
This is fundamentally irreconcilable with being the person who calms the Hulk down. That person should have a calming influence, not get him raring for a no-holds-barred bare-knuckle brawl.
edited 14th Mar '18 12:21:15 PM by TobiasDrake
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Well, she likes Bruce, not the Hulk. Sure, everyone's scared of the Hulk, but no one's scared of Bruce Banner himself.
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I am not set on Thor. I would have taken Steve to. Or anyone else the Hulk can't kill with one single hit.
Anyway, not sure if anyone read the article one page back, but it is kind of funny that the main reason Marvel picked Ironman as first movie were toy sales. And then it didn't even work.
edited 14th Mar '18 12:35:05 PM by Swanpride
Bruce dosent trust her because she is agent of Shield, once that worff off they get along.
Tobias: I can see why a romance would devopt from that, problem is: Wheedon went from poin A) they share some bond to point B) they devolpt a romance, with NOTHING in between.
that is what dooms the whole thing out, there is not naunce or little things between them, it just....kinda of happens.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"That doesn't invalidate it being sexist. Like, at all. That doesn't even say anything, it just says you specifically don't think it's sexist when numerous other people have stated that they found it to be grossly sexist. The relationship is still sexist bullshit.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Yeah, honestly. The main problem with Brucetasha is just how sudden it was. Could it have happened eventually? Sure! But there was no need to shoehorn in that romance in Age of Ultron when we'd only seen them interact in one movie at that point and they weren't necessarily super close. And yeah, it really reeks of, oh, we gotta set the girl of the team up with some guy, because what else is the point of having a girl on the team if she's not gonna make out with one of the guys?
When we're done, there won't be anything left.Alright, so after weeks of real-life bullshit getting in my family's way, we finally went to see Black Panther. Hoooooly hell, that was awesome. A strong contender for my favorite movie in the whole MCU, which is no small feat. It just gets so, so much right. Also Killmonger is maybe my new favorite MCU villain.
On my wave, passing oooooooonShe Hulk runs the issue of Universal still having the rights to solo-Hulk mythos movies, requiring her to be introduced and primarily used either in an ensemble or in other characters' movies.
Not that that's impossible, just difficult.
Maybe, say, in the Fantastic 4's inevitable reboot one of the major supporting characters is their lawyer, named Jennifer. We all know she's Jennifer Walters, but the characters don't know what that means yet. Then over the course of the main plot she ends up in the wrong place and gets critically injured by the Big Bad, so before the climax the Four have to save her. They discover she's Bruce Banner's cousin, but get their hands on his blood and give her a transfusion despite the risk. She seems fine at the end. Then the after credits scene has her transform into She Hulk. In the sequel she joins the Four as a semi-member.
No, she didn't.
- Bruce: So, this all seems horrible.
- Natasha: (pointedly) I've seen worse.
- Bruce: ...sorry.
- Natasha: No. We could use worse.
She straight up says that being chased down by the Hulk was worse than the Chitauri invasion. Following that up with, "We could use worse," does not mean she is no longer afraid. It means she's a courageous person who is willing to deal with it despite her fear because the Godzilla Threshold has been crossed.
She hasn't lost her fear. She's just willing to tolerate him as an ally in extreme circumstances despite how afraid of him she is. That's a reasonable level of groundwork for her to have a character arc in Age of Ultron about letting go of her fear of the Hulk. It is not a reasonable groundwork for her to spontaneously start sleeping with him.
edited 14th Mar '18 4:51:24 PM by TobiasDrake
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I saw it as the eternal flame being the power source and Hela the technique
The same flame in Surtr's hands only destroys
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