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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82401: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:06:56 PM

It's a pretty standard relationship trouble. Natasha wants Banner to go into the hole and get really big, but Banner just doesn't want to right now.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82403: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:21:08 PM

Then again, he did say that they'd be dealing with this for the rest of their lives. For all we know, this could just be a thing in all future Avengers movies going forward, Bruce and Natasha trying to make it work and failing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82404: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:24:15 PM

That sounds really annoying.

If they can't make it work then they should just move on & find other people.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#82405: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:24:39 PM

Avengers 6

Fade in.

Bruce Banner and Natasha Romanov sit on a couch with Drax between them. Mood awkward. Something terrible for everyone has just occurred.

Bruce: "I... I thought swinging might help"

Natasha: "Well obviously not."

Drax: "Hilariously derailing one-liner"

edited 13th Mar '18 9:25:09 PM by Bocaj

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82406: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:34:20 PM

" because the relationship felt incredibly forced"

it was forced because how it display with Nat suddenly firting with him kinda out of nowhere, is the same problem wheedon of treating movie like extended epsiodes.

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unexplainedEnemy from hell pit Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#82407: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:55:08 PM

Yeah, my thoughts on Brucetasha being back are...basically what everyone else said. It's super weird to me that they're doing the relationship again in Infinity War, when, even with the recording/lullaby in Ragnarok (and—correct me if I'm wrong on this—Natasha not talking about Bruce at all in Civil War), I got the impression that that ship had...pretty definitively sailed.

Maaaaaan, I just want more Bruce introspection, and more Natasha introspection, but entirely separate from each other.

edited 13th Mar '18 9:56:36 PM by unexplainedEnemy

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82408: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:47:58 PM

I think they're wise enough not to make it a subplot again or anything. Just an acknowledged Thing That Happened.

As awkward as Steve kissing Sharon was, that's all it was; a single obligatory kiss to fill the Hollywood execs' romance quota, then back to cool stuff.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82409: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:05:10 PM

I assume, if they're bringing it up, it's to resolve it. Either have it be a thing going forward, no big deal, or have the two of them move past it, no big deal.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82410: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:13:19 PM

Or they could make a big deal out of it and portray it as some great tragic romance for the ages, two people fated to be together but also fated to be apart, truly a Shakespearean fairy tale.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#82411: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:14:01 PM

They already did that better with Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82412: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:14:22 PM

[up][up] Bwahahahahahaha! [lol]

That's a good one Pushover, that's a good one. [tup]

[up] Now that was a true romance. tongue

edited 13th Mar '18 11:17:03 PM by slimcoder

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#82413: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:15:20 PM

PMC, that's the worst idea you've ever had.

My various fanfics.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#82414: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:18:46 PM

And that's saying something.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82415: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:23:38 PM

Or they could make a big deal out of it and portray it as some great tragic romance for the ages, two people fated to be together but also fated to be apart, truly a Shakespearean fairy tale.

They won't because they already did that, and unlike the individual characters' movies there isn't room to have a primary romance as a major, repeating subplot. Tony/Pepper, Thor/Jane, etc, those are a primary part of their series' character development, but Avengers has way more going on.

However that gets resolved, the chances of it being a major dramatic arc aren't too high.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82416: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:25:22 PM

Hey, I don't think it'd be a good move to portray it like that either, but the man described them as "star-crossed lovers" who will "deal with this for their entire lives".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82417: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:25:56 PM

The actor did, yeah, and he didn't say anything about how prominent it was in the movie or even what the actual plot between them it going to be.

He's basically saying that it's important to the characters, and continues to be important to them. As apposed to going away as a plot point.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:27:56 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82418: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:28:02 PM

Yeah, just to clear that up, I wasn't being romantic up there, I was being sarcastic.

[up]He plays Bruce Banner. I'm inclined to trust his input, unless indicated otherwise.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:28:28 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82419: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:29:47 PM

I didn't say he was lying or mistaken. There's no reason why you shouldn't trust him (well, beyond the fact that actors don't really know much about the seires' overarching plans and may, as the case may be, be obligated to lie to the press, but neither of them are too relevant here).

edited 13th Mar '18 11:31:35 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82420: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:31:08 PM

Just saying, he used some pretty strong wording if it's just going to be addressed in two or three off-handed lines.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82421: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:31:46 PM

I didn't say that either.

There's a world of difference in between "big, dramatic Shakespearean plotline" and "two or three sentences." And as I said, Ruffalo is telling us about where the characters are emotionally (which is what, as an actor, he would have the best perspective on), but not telling us about what they'll be doing or what the plot is going to be like.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:35:01 PM by KnownUnknown

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#82422: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:37:36 PM

You said something about how prominent it would be. Sorry I didn't really read it fully the first time. I'm tired.

I think I'm gonna back out now. I'm starting to make even less sense than normal.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:38:56 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82423: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:41:08 PM

Nah, I could've been clearer too.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82424: Mar 14th 2018 at 2:51:17 AM

As someone who didn't mind the Bruce/Natasha thing, nor did I find it "sexist" at all (and I tend to have little tolerance for such things, so that's saying something), I have no issue with it coming back (I mean Ragnarok already made a specific point allude to it anyway, so it's clear that it's not being dropped completely).

Also the "it wasn't built up to enough" isn't really much of a believable complaint, given that Natasha was in one movie (which didn't feature Bruce) and Bruce was a cameo in one movie (which didn't feature Natasha) in the entirety of Phase Two. So no duh there was no buidup to it.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#82425: Mar 14th 2018 at 2:59:05 AM

I love how on the Marvel comics wiki they have to specify which Earth a character is from because of amount of times they've used the multiple Earths plot

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