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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82376: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:34:02 PM

@unknowing: Well the case I linked in the Defenders featured Matt winning a case by himself and without going off to fight magic ninjas. I have faith in him.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:34:16 PM by Gaon

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82377: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:34:05 PM

[up][up][up]Right now wanda itself is very iffy consider we havent seen that much of them bonding and the whole civil war thing kinda muddle things on.

I mean, maybe is just me but throwing the person you are into a big damn hole is kinda a deal breaker.

isnt?

[up]I dont know men, the moment he feel some vaguely asian is near by he will drop everthing because that is how he is.

Also, I will love to see how he will react to alien body sounds, that should be...intersting.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:36:58 PM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
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#82379: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:42:32 PM

If I'm going to be blunt, Black Widow is constantly getting into romances in other media with members of the Avengers. Tony and Steve seem to be the most popular ones, though Clint was a hot candidate in Avengers 1. To me, it was never a question of if Natasha would hook up with one of the Avengers, but when, since it's happened every other time so far.

I liked the idea of Natasha and Bruce getting together from the word "go" simply because it was a fresh new idea for a relationship and I was curious to see how it would pan out. It also explored facets of their personalities that I've never seen either explore in a romantic context. A mutually angsty romance was an interesting direction to take them in, one which I liked.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:44:18 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#82380: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:44:09 PM

That's great in theory. In practice, debatable. Highly.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82381: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:44:48 PM

I'm mixed. As someone else already said, I trust the Russos since they've pretty consistently shown they've had a good handle on Black Widow. I maintain her role in Winter Soldier was her best usage in the franchise by far.

But, the royally botched handling of the Steve/Sharon romance does not really make me confident of their ability to handle Widow and Banner as a couple, especially in a movie this crowded.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82382: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:47:34 PM

Yeah, of all the avengers, they are the one who enjoy their power the less: Tony love being Iron man, Cap see as sort of duty and a mean to protect people, for Thor is just natural as being asgardian and being worhty, Hulk and Nat? they are wary about it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82383: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:51:00 PM

Natasha was terrified of Bruce in Avengers, and he nearly killed her on the helicarrier. That makes any romance between them a hard pass for me.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#82384: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:51:35 PM

Stane has a two decade advantage on him, though. Like. I feel like expecting a 17-year-old Tony to have the business savvy to immediately identify that Stane's secretly dealing under the table. Stane was at the company before Tony was. He was the boss in the interim between Howard's death and Tony's return. That stuff was probably going on before Tony even knew what a W-4 was. That's the whole reason Stane hates Tony: Stark Industries is basically his baby so far as he's concerned. He's the Steve Ditko to Howard's Stan Lee, and then Howard dies, Stane takes over, everything's great, and then here comes prodigy child Stark Jr. to steal the reins back from him and take all the credit for his hard work. Blaming Tony for Stane is like blaming an apprentice swordsmith for never noticing that the master smith uses the forge to hide his serial murders whenever the kid's not looking.

Well this thread moves at the speed of light, so you're just saying that it's all Tony's fault right? Well, glad we agree.tongue

So what are we talking about right now?

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#82385: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:51:42 PM

Natasha was terrified of Hulk in Avengers, and he nearly killed her on the helicarrier.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82386: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:53:04 PM

Indeed its fucking awkward.

[up][up] The awkward & wrongness of Black Widow's romance with Hulk.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:53:20 PM by slimcoder

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82387: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:54:36 PM

Natasha is terrfied about what he can do but not Banner himself, specially because kinda like her he dosent really know what to do.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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#82388: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:55:34 PM

I'm sure you can find an angle to make the relationship sound interesting or filled with potential if you try hard enough, but in practice, it was just downright bad. There wasn't anything all that terribly interesting that actually got explored because the relationship felt incredibly forced, the "conflict" in it was melodramatic in a bad way, it had pretty much no build-up, the two characters' chemistry is non-existent and it overall detracts from both of them. Age of Ultron would literally be a better movie if that whole subplot was excised. Bruce already had enough to work with given the Ultron thing, and they could have easily had Natasha play off Clint like the first film did.

Maybe it could have been good if it had been built up to properly and Joss Whedon hadn't been the one to introduce the concept, but what's done is done. I don't really think there's anything the Russos can do to make me like it any better.

edited 13th Mar '18 8:01:06 PM by Draghinazzo

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82389: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:56:59 PM

Widow's also probably a victim of the "she's the woman on the team, she has to be shipped with somebody" mentality, hence the rather obligatory-seeming nature of their relationship.

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#82390: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:58:23 PM

Natasha was terrified of Hulk in Avengers, and he nearly killed her on the helicarrier.

And that was the first time she had even seen the Hulk and it was 3 years ago.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82391: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:03:32 PM

Yeah, that’s a real memorable first impression. A very, very negative one.

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#82392: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:06:28 PM

Which she got over completely by the end of the movie.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#82393: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:07:17 PM

Avengers tales place in 2009 right? (same year as most of Phase 1, a year after Iron Man) And Ao U takes places in 2015? I could buy Nat not being scared of the Hulk after six years.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82394: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:08:36 PM

[up][up] Being able to deal with someone who almost killed her while out of control, who is fighting at a distance while under control, is not the same as wanting to date him.

[up] What we see on screen is what matters, though. So it’s jarring.

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#82395: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:11:29 PM

Ohhhh dear. Pretty ballsy of Marvel to bring the whole Bruce/Natasha thing back. I mean hey, I'm sure it could be alright if handled with proper tact and grace, and I trust the Russos a fair bit better than Whedon, but...ehhhhhhhhhh...

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#82396: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:14:22 PM

And we see that Natasha and Bruce have grown closer over the course of the years in the very first scene of Age of Ultron. A bad first impression does not color your perception of that person for the rest of your interactions with them, and I doubt Natasha traumatizes easily. She's not so fragile to let a little attempted murder shake her up for years, otherwise she wouldn't be able to make it as an assassin.

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Funny but not helpful
#82397: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:57:58 PM

It makes sense that its going to get brought back up again. Its going to be the first time they see each other after a complicated parting.

It doesn't mean they'll get together again. They are 'star crossed.' That doesn't usually mean happily ever after.

And/or is a special Justice League episode.

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#82398: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:01:08 PM

Yeah, "star crossed lovers" literally, and I do mean literally, means "lovers whose relationship is doomed to fail or end in tragedy".

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82399: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:02:47 PM

Well that be good cause that would mean were never gonna see it again after this movie.

Also we shouldn't be wasting time on asinine romances when there is already too much shit in this movie & the focus should be on the important shit.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Funny but not helpful
#82400: Mar 13th 2018 at 9:04:55 PM

What I want more than anything is closure.

Banner and Natasha finding a quiet moment to have a conversation where they admit that yeah they wouldn't have lasted together. Because they want different things re: pushing Banner in holes.

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