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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82326: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:59:03 PM

Worst ship? nah, they can be quiet sweet, better than Janex Thor actually, that was handle awfully.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#82328: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:59:28 PM

[up]x4 I wasn't saying that you were, but wanting both Black Widow and Hulk to die because of a shitty romantic subplot is a bit much.

edited 13th Mar '18 6:59:51 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#82329: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:59:34 PM

Jane x Thor wasn't incredibly sexist, it was just poorly written.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#82330: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:59:38 PM

Didn't mind the...Brucetasha? romance. Barely even noticed it. I hope Hulk does die though. Because I dislike Hulk. Bruce can live, but Hulk needs to check out.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#82331: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:59:39 PM

If Bucky Barnes is supposed to be held to blame for the people he was forced to kill under HYDRA's control, you have to hold Clint Barton, Natasha Romanov, Gammora and Nebula to the same standard. Otherwise, admit it isn't about "justice" or "fairness", but disliking a certain character, or loving another one to the detriment of everyone else. *steps off soapbox*

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82332: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:00:27 PM

You can not kill the Hulk,he's unkillable

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#82333: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:01:22 PM

@Karkat that was aimed less at you and more at Adric calling it "too far".

My various fanfics.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#82334: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:02:08 PM

Which it was a bit too far.

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#82335: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:02:16 PM

[up][up][up]He's unkillable only until the writers say he is killable. At that point, failing future writers deciding otherwise, he is imminently killable.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:02:31 PM by Eagal

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#82336: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:02:21 PM

Fair enough, but my point still stands.

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#82337: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:02:55 PM

@Ultimatum Caiera is 7 feet tall and can tangle with Hulk in a fight, that's how.

Bruce and Natasha together isn't "massively sexist". It's not even mildly sexist. The furthest you can claim it's sexist is that Bruce doesn't have much of a character arc aside from his relationship with Natasha.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82338: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:03:08 PM

I guess it's the giant green rage monster in the room that needs to be addressed. It would be weird to sweep it under the rug without saying anything.

Hopefully they just acknowledge it early and move on.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82339: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:03:18 PM

Ehhhhh why clint? I mean, i Will loved if they adress how he feel while loki brainwashed of how Loki is pretty much forgiven now.

Natahsa? well I dont mind that, in find natasha is worst because she was clearly willing while Bucky was pretty much a meat puppet, if we only know what the hell she did....

and nebula and gamora?....yeah, dont mind to judge the same way, they maybe can redeem themselves by killing thanos or helping but I sure that boat have sail way unfortunaly.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#82340: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:05:11 PM

Nebula and Gamora are completely different from Bucky. They were fully in control of their actions and willingly (in a manner of speaking) followed Thanos' lead up until they decided not to.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:05:36 PM by Eagal

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#82341: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:07:53 PM

Reminder that Bruce and Natasha's "totally not sexist star-crossed romance" included Bruce falling in Natasha's boobs and her forgetting how to pick open a cell so that a man could save her.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#82342: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:08:42 PM

The Brucetasha relationship as depicted in Age of Ultron is pretty sexist, not to mention outright toxic. Natasha's whole bizarre spiel of empathizing with Bruce being a monster because she herself is a "monster", plus that awkward line about her being sterilized that...ugh...I'm still seething over it.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82343: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:08:52 PM

Meanwhile, in the narrative sense, we still dont know what nebula, gamora and many others did as the enforcer of thanos while we have a good showing of what Bucky did.

is a narrative trickery.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82344: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:09:00 PM

at least they didn't include a meadow run together

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#82345: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:09:03 PM

Bruce and Natasha are a terrible romance. It was a complete narrative non-sequitur that Joss Whedon pulled out of seemingly nothing, presumably just so he could include some type of romance into Age of Ultron even if it didn't fit the characters.

And a lot of the overtones in it are pretty sexist or just kinda gross.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:10:05 PM by Draghinazzo

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#82346: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:09:41 PM

Nebula and Gamora would have attenuated sentences because they were essentially orphan Child Soldiers with little choice other than doing his bidding or being bodily mutilated or outright killed if they failed. They were coerced into crime by physical and psychological abuse.

Matt Murdock would make them a pretty penny on the Xandarian courts if he went to space.

"Your honor, my clients would like to sue the Thanos estate."

edited 13th Mar '18 7:10:11 PM by Gaon

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#82347: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:10:56 PM

It's very obvious that Nebula and Gamora killed people in Thanos' name.

My various fanfics.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#82348: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:11:26 PM

The Brucetasha relationship as depicted in Age of Ultron is pretty sexist, not to mention outright toxic. Natasha's whole bizarre spiel of empathizing with Bruce being a monster because she herself is a "monster", plus that awkward line about her being sterilized that...ugh...I'm still seething over it.

For the last goddamn time, her being unable to have children was just to relate to Bruce's inability to have children, and had absolutely nothing to do with both of them claiming to be monsters. Bruce is a monster because of the Hulk, and Natasha is a monster because of her bodycount.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#82349: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:11:38 PM

[up]x3 I'd like to see that, actually. A courtroom drama set on Xandar.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:12:00 PM by Eagal

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#82350: Mar 13th 2018 at 7:12:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]It's all well and good until Thanos acquires the Money Stone and becomes fiscally-untouchable.

edited 13th Mar '18 7:12:15 PM by Anomalocaris20

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