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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#82276: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:55:37 PM

That's pretty clear in the first one too. And, again, is part of why Stane hates him so much.

Stane runs the company, Tony gets all the newspaper headlines and magazine covers and awards. Stane makes business decisions, manages press coverage, makes overseas contacts. Tony gives speeches, gets drunk, and bangs reporters. Stane is the business guy, Tony's the corporate face who's pretty and likable and sells well.

Stane works his knuckles to the bone to make the company successful, the award is promptly given to Tony, and then Tony doesn't even bother showing up because he's too busy being drunk and gambling.

Note that this doesn't excuse any of Stane's actions and in no way relates to his underhanded illegal arms deals. I'm just saying, that's why he hates Tony so much. So far as he's concerned, Tony's a parasite leeching all of his well-earned publicity.

Iron Man 2 just had Tony find a new Stane in the form of Pepper, who didn't take long to start hating him either. tongue She got over it, but still.

edited 13th Mar '18 4:56:13 PM by TobiasDrake

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82277: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:02:53 PM

And them he start pissing Cap to which boil to him punch him later.

In general, Tony does have a knack for making enemy, im not surprise Thanos come because Tony did something to him.....

wild mass guessin infinity war it would be reveal that tony promise thanos a thanoscopter but he lie about itsurprisedwild mass guess

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82278: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:08:00 PM

Tony is a very, very flawed man.

Even when he's trying to be better person he can't stop fucking up.

Like how he's a mediocre mentor for Spidey.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:10:45 PM by slimcoder

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#82279: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:09:09 PM

Even Tony agrees with that.

  • Peter: I wanted to be like you.
  • Tony: And I wanted you to be better.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82280: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:12:14 PM

Amusingly Tony is a very low bar to surpass.

Just basically don't become a spoiled alcoholic playboy jackass & your golden. tongue

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82281: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:15:56 PM

And yet he didnt kill anyones mother *glares at bucky*

Also returing to ragnarok for a moment, I find very disapoint with the director for not incluing Jormundager at the party, I mean you throw a big wolf and yet it wasnt posible to throw a big ass serpent to the fight? really?

Shame....just shame.....

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#82282: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:22:41 PM

Well, Thor did fight a dragon. That's close enough, right?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82283: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:29:26 PM

[up][up] Leave Bucky alone. He doesn't deserve that shit. He is a war hero and Po W who was tortured for decades. It wasn't his fault.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:29:36 PM by Swanpride

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82284: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:31:58 PM

[up][up]Dude, not all reptiles are the same, a snake is not a dragon.

In fact, I think you need to apologies with Tobias drake right no, is just not right.

[up]Tell that to Maria and howard stark....

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82285: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:34:27 PM

Bucky was brainwashed with magic control techniques by a cult. He was tortured for decades and used as a tool. He has 0 culpability for their deaths.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82286: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:39:54 PM

[up]He is still the one who perform the act and kill them, you dont get away with that.

Now while he dosent need to be in jail, he does really need to check is mental state.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82287: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:43:16 PM

[up] And he will suffer because of this knowledge his whole life. Howard was his friend after all. He needs help, not judgement.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82288: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:43:51 PM

[up][up]...that’s literally part of the plot of Winter Soldier and Civil War.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:44:11 PM by wisewillow

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#82289: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:44:51 PM

Yeah, you can't dump this on Bucky since he was brainwashed. It isn't a Freudian excuse, it's "he had no control whatsoever of his actions". The reason Tony lashes out in that scene is because of a combination of massive stress throughout the movie, it being dumped on him all of a sudden, and the sense of betrayal that Steve had kept it from him.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#82290: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:46:55 PM

Although there's understandably not much legal precedent for this kind of thing, Bucky legally has no culpability since he had no mens rea for any of his crimes. And doesn't really morally have culpability either, although obviously he personally feels guilty.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:47:16 PM by Hodor2

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82291: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:48:24 PM

[up][up][up]But he will get judgment, from tony and for all the people he kill over the years, there is not way for him to escape from that.

But I will argue that he does need to be take away and not return to fight again, aside for being so much to him, its probably for the best.

[up][up]Yes and no, Tony will never forgive bucky or treat him as anything else but their parent killer, but is intent to kill him does are because of what you said.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:50:50 PM by unknowing

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82292: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:50:27 PM

[up] This is for Bucky to decide. God knows that Hydra has taken more than enough choices from him. Once the triggers are removed there is no reason whatsoever to force him to do anything.

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#82293: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:58:55 PM

> He has 0 culpability for their deaths.

OBJECTION!

-stands up,chair is knocked over

Brainwashed or not,he did kill them,and murder is a crime.

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#82294: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:01:05 PM

If you’re driving a car, and a hacker takes over the car, and it swerves and kills two people, the hacker killed the people, not the person inside with no control anymore.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82295: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:02:55 PM

[up][up]That’s not how law (American law, at least) works.

If you’re asleep, and someone uses your arms to strangle someone to death, you’re not the murderer. The person squeezing your hands is.

“Shoot this guy or we murder your 5 year old”

The murderer is the one threatening you, not the person being threatened.

edited 13th Mar '18 6:03:12 PM by wisewillow

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82296: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:04:54 PM

Nor does German law work this way. Bucky (and Clint and all of Killgrave's victims) had no control over what their body was doing, so they are not guilty.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82297: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:08:37 PM

Problem here is that the car is a person an two) he have killed too many people over the year, specially political heavy people, let him return to the field is a bit too much

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#82298: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:09:35 PM

Actually now I'm curious. I don't believe that Bucky should be held responsible for their deaths but legally, is there anything to prove that he wasn't in control of his actions?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82299: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:11:29 PM

[up] There are the Hydra files and various witnesses.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82300: Mar 13th 2018 at 6:12:03 PM

They most likely also have footage Zemo triggering him.

edited 13th Mar '18 6:12:20 PM by slimcoder

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