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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
So...should Hela have recruited some dudes from the other Nine Realms in order to show how they viewed things?
edited 13th Mar '18 8:51:23 AM by HandsomeRob
One Strip! One Strip!I kind of feel like Thanos just doesn't give that much of a crap about Loki. I mean even in Avengers Loki was mocked for his "petty" ambitions and it was clear that Thanos had far bigger plans in mind. I mean we never even see Thanos interacting with Loki in person (whereas he does interact with Ronan in person), which is telling.
So it'd be a case of Loki walking up to him, Tesseract in hand, and Thanos going "oh yeah, you again. Oh there it is, ok then."
I'd say Thor should have. As others have proposed, this could have been resolved by connecting Hela's colonialism to Sakaar, linking the two plot threads and having the people Thor rallies be those victims whose voices should be heard.
Like. Imagine if the "Asgard is a people, not a place," narrative came from Korg instead of Odin, allowing Thor to deliberately and knowingly act on the wisdom of those who've been displaced before him.
But it doesn't. Korg is just there to make some funny jokes. The movie doesn't care what he thinks.
edited 13th Mar '18 8:56:49 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.If you want to make the imperalism angle better here are some ideas:
-Try to not make Hela bloodthirstiness so obvious, it make her sound less that a colonizer and more of a warlord who need war(Really she is pretty much a female shao khan, she is one step of saying "IS THAT YOUR BEST?"), almost make her feel that asgard is ungracefull to her by "I give them glory and in turn they cover ashamed"
-Yeah, you need to tie Sakaar to asgard someone, it help with the disconection between the two plot, after all Sakaar look the kind of place it would help monster to get stuf as long it can profit for it.
-And for last, I dont know if should be thor choice to blow the whole thing out, if have a shaky conexion to asgard in the first place.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Rob: If we want to take this metaphor further that's the equivalent of a bunch of Africans attacking the US as retribution for slavery. I feel like that would be even worse.
@Thor recruiting other members of the Nine Realms: Now that's something I would have liked to see that.
edited 13th Mar '18 9:10:22 AM by Kostya
I don't think this is actually accurate because the mcu wiki says that Korg's revolt that got him sentenced to gladiating was against the Grandmaster. But I initially thought that Korg was a citizen of the Nine Realms that got exiled for trying to stir up a revolution. My evidence being that other Kronan that Thor killed in Dark World seeming to indicate that they were native to or present in the Nine Realms. If that was the case, then Asgard does have a connection to Sakaar what with Korg being intentionally exiled there and Valkyrie ending up there.
Its tenuous though. I agree a more direct link between Asgard and Sakaar would have been good. Can't be one of the Nine Realms without ending in a gard or a heim but could have been a place Asgard had influenced all imperialistically.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWould be kinda fitting. The big ol spaceship Korg's group steals is named after an Australian car.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI absolutely want to see someone play a shell game with entire worlds now
Forever liveblogging the AvengersNow that is a good idea.
Yeah. You are right. Thor recruiting those who were victims of Asgard is a much better idea. Shame the director didn't think of it.
One Strip! One Strip!Exactly. Including the displaced refugee logic isn't a bad thing, but having it come not from an oppressed people but from the Colonizer-in-Chief just being like, "This is a cool thing I came up with while sitting on my throne of skulls. It helps me sleep at night by reminding me that those people didn't really lose anything if you think about it!" kinda is.
edited 13th Mar '18 10:00:24 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Again, I don't get why everyone is reading a colonialism metaphor into the movie.
Yes, Hela is a brutal imperialist from Asgard's past. But given all the Nordic imagery, and the fact that her imperialism seems mostly concerned with plundering riches from other worlds, with no mention of actually establishing colonies anywhere else, you could just as easily (and with more evidence to back you up) argue she's supposed to represent an ancient Viking raider showing up in modern day Scandinavia.
I just don't see what about Hela is specifically colonialist in nature, rather than just broadly and generically imperialist.
I've been staying out if this argument because of how little I care about it, but if you've been paying attention you would have seen writing pieces on the matter linked by wisewillow
.
edited 13th Mar '18 11:29:10 AM by VeryMelon
The two go hand-in-hand. Colonialism is how imperialism plunders riches from other nations. An empire is not a barbarian tribe, traveling from place to place looting, pillaging, and then running off home with the spoils. Empires seek to expand their borders, spreading the sphere of their influence.
That means colonies. It means putting your people in their lands. It means setting up puppet hierarchies where their civilization is now subordinate to yours. Demanding taxes and/or making them work to produce wares for your benefit. Butchering regions that get uppity as a warning to others. Or just straight-up killing them all to make more room for your growing population.
When barbarians raid your village, they take your stuff and go home. When empires raid your village, they plant a flag and go, "You're mine now. Forever."
edited 13th Mar '18 11:31:38 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

I have to said: those this movie or marvel remenber that Loki work for thanos? and that if threat him to find him and killing if he fail to conquer earth?
I mean, I feel thanos is being reaaaaaally slow in taking his vengance.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"