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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I wasn't talking about Thor's actions, I was talking about the concept of achieving social progress by shattering the status quo. Which isn't an idea white people are too keen on, in general.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."![]()
He didn't, though. He realized that he could maintain the status quo without physically being in Asgard, and went to resettle elsewhere. Again, like a colonialist.
Admittedly, that Thor is a static character is another thing that hurts it here: Asgard's distant past may have been tyrannical, but it's present represented by Thor has no idea that even existed and sees no reason to change due to the past. Thor only confronts Asgard's past in the sense that it makes him realize his father wasn't a saint, but since those days are over he mainly learns that he needs to fight harder for the things he wants to protect.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:40:52 PM by KnownUnknown
Everything about Thor's character arc, in regards to how he was in the beginning of Thor 1, happened in Thor 1. Not Ragnarok. Compare Thor at the beginning of the movie to Thor at the end of the movie to ascertain how dynamic or static he is in Ragnarok.
He's been a static character for two movies, mostly because - just like Captain America - his films have been focusing on the arcs of other characters now that his characterization is set in stone.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:43:05 PM by KnownUnknown
The realms are in revolt because without the bifrost Asgard can't "maintain order"
Which shows just how happy they were under the yoke I guess
Forever liveblogging the AvengersCome to think of it, if the Thor movies weren't almost certainly over, a movie giving Asgard a "fall of Rome" vibe would be interesting, though probably just asking for slingshotting Loki back into being a schemer.
"Asgard parked over Oklahoma" is probably the idea they're going to go with after this, provided there's any Asgardians left after Thanos wrecked them.
In a way that doens't really affect him or his mentality, yeah. In the end, he lets go of Asgard's past. In the beginning, he didn't even know Asgard's past. So he's just around back to where he started, minus an ocular organ.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:54:54 PM by KnownUnknown
Fun fact, Thor is the God of Farmers.
Also fun fact, Thor does not appear to be any stronger without Mjolnir after talking to Ghost Dad than he was when he still had Mjolnir, so there was literally no point in destroying it.
My various fanfics.I will miss the fun ways he takes advantage of the Hammer's enchantment in battle. The bit where he takes the dragon in the beginning out of the fight temporarily by dropping the hammer on its lip is maybe my favorite moment in the whole movie.
The writers/directors were just starting to nail how to make Thor really innovative with his hammer in this one. And now it's gone, so he's back to just wailing on people really hard.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:54:22 PM by KnownUnknown
Other way around. Character arcs work best if the characters move emotionally or ideologically. Thor is, generally speaking, an impact character there to facilitate the character arc of others in his last to movies: mostly Loki. Much like Captain America being the static fulcrum for Bucky/Tony/etc.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:57:58 PM by KnownUnknown

They're self sufficient because Thor says they're fine. Because they weren't not going to integrate into another nation's government. Because they were specifically Asgard coming to settle, recognizing themselves as a power that can and will rebuild what they've lost wherever they can find to do so.
"Probably" isn't narrative. You can assume that they'll probably lose, but the very point is that that's not the idea that the movie delivers to us.
edited 12th Mar '18 7:37:41 PM by KnownUnknown