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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82151: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:36:41 PM

They're self sufficient because Thor says they're fine. Because they weren't not going to integrate into another nation's government. Because they were specifically Asgard coming to settle, recognizing themselves as a power that can and will rebuild what they've lost wherever they can find to do so.

Virtually any planet they try to settle on could probably beat them in a straight fight. They sure seem like refugees to me.

"Probably" isn't narrative. You can assume that they'll probably lose, but the very point is that that's not the idea that the movie delivers to us.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:37:41 PM by KnownUnknown

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#82152: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:37:27 PM

Revolutionary is definitely a stretch. Thor didn't start a revolution anywhere. He dropped a superweapon on the person who tried to usurp his kingdom, and then moved his people away from the problem to rebuild elsewhere.

I wasn't talking about Thor's actions, I was talking about the concept of achieving social progress by shattering the status quo. Which isn't an idea white people are too keen on, in general.

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#82153: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:37:37 PM

What does Thor know of farming?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82154: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:38:15 PM

[up][up] He didn't, though. He realized that he could maintain the status quo without physically being in Asgard, and went to resettle elsewhere. Again, like a colonialist.

Admittedly, that Thor is a static character is another thing that hurts it here: Asgard's distant past may have been tyrannical, but it's present represented by Thor has no idea that even existed and sees no reason to change due to the past. Thor only confronts Asgard's past in the sense that it makes him realize his father wasn't a saint, but since those days are over he mainly learns that he needs to fight harder for the things he wants to protect.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:40:52 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82155: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:40:22 PM

"All the nine realms are in revolt in Thor 2 including ones that we don't know for sure if they're evil jerks "

Why they revolt? the movie never really answer that one.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#82156: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:40:39 PM

[up][up]Thor is absolutely not a static character. Compare the coronation scenes from the beginning of Thor versus the end of Thor: Ragnarok, for starters.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:40:54 PM by wisewillow

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82157: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:41:19 PM

[up][up]Thor is absolutely not a static character. Compare the coronation scenes from the beginning of Thor versus the end of Thor: Ragnarok, for starters.

Everything about Thor's character arc, in regards to how he was in the beginning of Thor 1, happened in Thor 1. Not Ragnarok. Compare Thor at the beginning of the movie to Thor at the end of the movie to ascertain how dynamic or static he is in Ragnarok.

He's been a static character for two movies, mostly because - just like Captain America - his films have been focusing on the arcs of other characters now that his characterization is set in stone.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:43:05 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#82158: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:47:11 PM

The realms are in revolt because without the bifrost Asgard can't "maintain order"

Which shows just how happy they were under the yoke I guess

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#82159: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:48:05 PM

....yeah, really not seeing "Thor is static" in this film where his big climactic character moment in the film is him symbolically letting go of the past. With lightning.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82160: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:50:15 PM

Come to think of it, if the Thor movies weren't almost certainly over, a movie giving Asgard a "fall of Rome" vibe would be interesting, though probably just asking for slingshotting Loki back into being a schemer.

"Asgard parked over Oklahoma" is probably the idea they're going to go with after this, provided there's any Asgardians left after Thanos wrecked them.

....yeah, really not seeing "Thor is static" in this film where his big climactic character moment in the film is him symbolically letting go of the past. With lightning.

In a way that doens't really affect him or his mentality, yeah. In the end, he lets go of Asgard's past. In the beginning, he didn't even know Asgard's past. So he's just around back to where he started, minus an ocular organ.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:54:54 PM by KnownUnknown

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#82161: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:50:46 PM

Fun fact, Thor is the God of Farmers.

Also fun fact, Thor does not appear to be any stronger without Mjolnir after talking to Ghost Dad than he was when he still had Mjolnir, so there was literally no point in destroying it.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82162: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:52:05 PM

Well now he learned he never needed the hammer to fight.

He's the God of Thunder not the God of Hammers.

Now if only his comic self could learn the same.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82163: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:52:30 PM

[up]I will said his fight with Sultur using the hammer is waaaaaay more impresive that him throwing lighting, I find him a discount Raiden now.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:53:52 PM by unknowing

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82164: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:53:44 PM

I will miss the fun ways he takes advantage of the Hammer's enchantment in battle. The bit where he takes the dragon in the beginning out of the fight temporarily by dropping the hammer on its lip is maybe my favorite moment in the whole movie.

The writers/directors were just starting to nail how to make Thor really innovative with his hammer in this one. And now it's gone, so he's back to just wailing on people really hard.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:54:22 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#82165: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:53:50 PM

It seems like the hammer was just a focus that taught him how to control his powers. I wonder why some Asgardians have powers anyway. It seems like only specific people get them but we have several examples of non-royals using powers so it's not a family trait.

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#82166: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:53:58 PM

I didn't realize that character arcs only had meaning if they ended with the character becoming physically stronger.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82167: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:54:43 PM

He does need a new weapon now lest he starts using his lighting in creative ways.

Luckily he's getting an ax now.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#82168: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:54:48 PM

I for one was impressed by his psycho crusher

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#82169: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:54:51 PM

The whole point of destroying Mjolnir was to show that Thor didn't need the damn hammer to be powerful and that he needed to realize this.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82170: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:55:02 PM

[up][up][up][up]Him taking the fire demons and blocking Sultur fire is the best for me, I even sync better led zeppling song in that moment.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:56:15 PM by unknowing

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#82171: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:55:55 PM

Again he's the God of Thunder not the God of Hammers.

While Hela appears to be the Goddess of Black Sharp Pointy Things.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#82172: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:56:35 PM

She's the God of Goths. I bet she spent most of her exile listening to Siouxsie Sioux or some shit.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#82173: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:56:48 PM

[up][up][up][up]He doesn't need the hammer specifically but fighting with a weapon is still better than fighting without one. I'm guessing the weapon he creates will also be free of the worthiness clause.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:57:04 PM by Kostya

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82174: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:56:56 PM

I didn't realize that character arcs only had meaning if they ended with the character becoming physically stronger.

Other way around. Character arcs work best if the characters move emotionally or ideologically. Thor is, generally speaking, an impact character there to facilitate the character arc of others in his last to movies: mostly Loki. Much like Captain America being the static fulcrum for Bucky/Tony/etc.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:57:58 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82175: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:57:09 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]Odin give his son a damn hamme that allow to use lighting, what else he did expect?

And hela take horny viking to a new hilarious level.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:58:07 PM by unknowing

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