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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#82051: Mar 12th 2018 at 1:57:09 AM

Since we're getting a Quirky Miniboss Squad, I have only one request: give all of them a decently long fight scene before they go down. Whether individually or as a team, I just really don't want to come out of this film thinking "Man, that one member of Thanos' personal guard didn't really do much and got taken out in one hit like a punk, what a waste of a character".

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82052: Mar 12th 2018 at 4:24:01 AM

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The reason we've not seen Black Cat yet is that she's already a member of the Black order grin

edited 12th Mar '18 4:28:01 AM by Ultimatum

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#82053: Mar 12th 2018 at 5:38:06 AM

I need the Black Order to do Ginyu Force poses.

edited 12th Mar '18 5:38:19 AM by Nightwire

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#82054: Mar 12th 2018 at 6:18:05 AM

I should note that Ebony Maw is more of a manipulator than a fighter, so it wouldn’t be so bad if he went down without much of a fight scene.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#82055: Mar 12th 2018 at 6:35:10 AM

[up][up]Well I know what the next Lego game is gonna do.

magnet_terp Since: Apr, 2014
#82056: Mar 12th 2018 at 7:03:22 AM

[up] Speaking of which, the LEGO sets for Infinity War are already out. If you get all of them, you get all of the gems to fit Thanos’s Infinity Gauntlet. It’s one gem per set, including the big Guardians Ship set that had Thanos, the Gauntlet, and one gem with it.

edited 12th Mar '18 7:03:49 AM by magnet_terp

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82057: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:29:26 AM

"So she edges closes to a Knight of Cerebus with how impervious she is for nearly the entire film and how serious things get when she's around."

And yet that dosent matter because the film is so lightearted and so disconect from her that she is just a serious chararter.

Overall marvel does have the issue of landing jokes after the serious moment that undercut any seriousness, even the destruction of Asgard is hamper by Krog monologing in his weird voice, it kinda take any drama out of it.

edited 12th Mar '18 8:38:22 AM by unknowing

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#82058: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:35:13 AM

Yeah,your post is too incoherent

That said when is Squirrel Girl joining the Avengers?

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82059: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:38:56 AM

[up]There, I change it.

And I will said never, Squilrrel girl is to zany for the avengers.

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#82060: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:42:49 AM

Clearly she's the one who will defeat Thanos.

And then, just at that moment, the fox rights will clear and Galactus will show up to give her a high five and say "Thanos is a tool"

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#82061: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:44:30 AM

[up]No, when the fox right clear she will look into the distance and said "Now excuse me, I have to kick Dr doom ass" and fly away.

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#82062: Mar 12th 2018 at 8:47:48 AM

You fool, she doesn't fly, she jumps hella high.

And sometimes she glides but that was for a short period of time with an evil benefactor, spoilers.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#82064: Mar 12th 2018 at 9:00:19 AM

As for the humor in Ragnarok, Honest Trailers couldn't have said it better: "Yeah, they overdo it sometimes, but this is a movie where an orgy spaceship shoots fireworks over the Rainbow Bridge where Hulk fights a zombie wolf. If you're mad that it tries to make you laugh too, you're doing it wrong."

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82065: Mar 12th 2018 at 11:44:25 AM

The issue is, it completely undercuts the tension of the Hela/Ragnarok (you know, the Norse apocalypse essentially) by trying to throw in tons of jokes every two minutes.

Also what they did to the Warriors Three irritated me a lot.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#82066: Mar 12th 2018 at 11:55:28 AM

Like I said, if you're looking for an amusing romp the movie doesn't disappoint. But if you're expecting any legitimate drama when it comes to the actual plot the movie barely even tries.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82067: Mar 12th 2018 at 12:03:17 PM

I kinda agree with fangirljeanne’s analysis here. I think the humor helps enable the themes and story.

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#82068: Mar 12th 2018 at 12:28:05 PM

There is no tension in Hela/Ragnarok to undercut. They're pretty much a Generic Doomsday Villain and an Excuse Plot respectively. Thor Ragnarok is much more interested in being Planet Hulk than it is in being Thor Ragnarok, and it shows. Hela and Ragnarok are just a framing device to get Thor to Sakaar and have wacky antics with Loki, Hulk, Korg, etc.

Which is fine in the sense that it makes for a very funny and entertaining Planet Hulk adaptation. The seams only begin to show when the movie tries to have more of a message come from the Ragnarok part that it isn't even interested in developing properly.

"Asgard isn't a place. It's a people." No, it's not. It's neither, really. What it is, is a set piece. A cool backdrop for action scenes. No movie has actually cared about developing Asgard enough for the audience to really care what happens to it. Not even this one!

edited 12th Mar '18 12:28:36 PM by TobiasDrake

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#82069: Mar 12th 2018 at 12:35:24 PM

Yeah this would have been more effective if these films had bothered to actually develop Asgard or it's people more properly. But through THREE films, that never really happened, so it's hard to care much about the "message" or when the whole thing goes up in flames. The Warriors Three and Lady Sif are the most obvious examples of this failure, but certainly not the only ones.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82070: Mar 12th 2018 at 12:44:09 PM

The movie kills off the only Asgardian characters (besides Heimdall) the audience would really be invested in within essentially the first fifteen minutes. Of them, the only one Thor even gets to react to is Odin. And even though the movie gets a lot of use out of him as a Posthumous Character, Odin's actual exit was rather rushed.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#82071: Mar 12th 2018 at 12:56:56 PM

I don't even think it was meant to be an emotional exit for the Warriors 3; it was trimming dead weight to focus on the stuff Waititi wanted to instead. I'm surprised they bothered bringing them back at all instead of just having Heimdall tell Thor "Sorry, but Volstagg, Hogun and Fandral didn't make it" when they reunited. Hell, Jane was the female lead of the franchise, and she was given an offscreen exit via a handwave line.

But I can't say it particularly bothered me. I mean, was anyone here seriously all that invested in the Warriors 3 as characters?

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#82072: Mar 12th 2018 at 1:07:33 PM

No. Complaining about them dying is stupid when they were barely there and were hardly important characters. They mattered so little that I didn't even notice Hogun was gone for much of the second one.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#82073: Mar 12th 2018 at 1:13:39 PM

Yeah, it's definitely a case of the new writing/directing vision culling the brand of the older characters in order to introduce their new characters and ideas, except for the fan favorite.

It's really blatant, an odd thing to do for the very last film in a series (if not probably the last thing outside Infinity War the mythos might even be involved in), and doesn't do the movie much credit to be callous about wiping out side characters when it's trying to build a theme about caring about connecting to people over a place or comfort.

As noted, it's empty writing decisions like that which make it obvious that the Asgard portion of the story is largely insincere in favor of the movie really being about Thor having madcap adventures on Sakaar.

edited 12th Mar '18 1:15:47 PM by KnownUnknown

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#82074: Mar 12th 2018 at 2:32:55 PM

I’d disagree. The themes underlying Ragnarok- that Asgard’s history of imperialism created the monster that would lead to its destruction- felt damn sincere to me. “Where did you think all this gold came from?” indeed.

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#82075: Mar 12th 2018 at 3:12:37 PM

I disagree. Black Panther did a far better job of discussing the effects of imperialism and colonialism because it actually had characters who wanted to discuss it.

Hela simply wears imperialism as a character trait. It's a fashion accessory of a motivation. She's a Bad Person because she thinks imperialism is a Cool Thing, and that's all Ragnarok cares to say on the matter.

Most glaringly, where Black Panther talks about the effects of colonialism and imperialism on the people victimized by it, Ragnarok has no interest in hearing what the victims hvae to say. Hela's a bad Major Demographic person because she wants to do some more colonialism. Thor's a good Major Demographic person because he doesn't. Nobody else's opinions matter on the subject.

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