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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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I dont know, since Asgard super magic tech thing make that almost irrelevant.
I mean, I remenber in episode of Agent of Shield when Coulson present his tech only to sig saying it look like very outdated teach back them in asgard.
It kinda said something.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
I agree. Black Panther is a great film, but lets not forget its meant to be an independent solo film to establish the character and his setting while Avengers Infinity War is meant to be a big scale Crisis Crossover with EVERY characters from the Phase Three films coming together against the threat of Thanos.
Infinity War not surpassing Black Panther in box office would be a big failure for the company, especially seeing how it finally putting the Big Bad of all these movies (Thanos) into action and would disappoint everybody. Just think of the underwelming success of the Justice League as an example of how that would be a bad thing for Marvel.
edited 11th Mar '18 8:41:00 PM by BigK1337
I think it's less "Black Panther could make more money than Infinity War" and more "Infinity War could make more money than Avengers 1 and Black Panther could STILL make more money than it". Black Panther could make more money than any individual MCU film. Period.
Also, yeah, I totally called that Ragnarok would be part Planet Hulk. Still makes me chuckle to think about.
edited 11th Mar '18 8:51:46 PM by PushoverMediaCritic
To be fair, the criticisms that people had for the concept, that to do Planet Hulk justice would require taking a lot of screentime from a Thor story has been something people bring up re: Sakaar vs Hela plots
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHe's basically suffering whatever the equivalent to a two year Hulk hangover is. His consciousness has been shut down or subconscious for two years.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersRagnarok can be hysterical, but my issue is that the humor undermines the dramatic elements. It makes it feel like they don't trust their drama and character moments and are trying to distract you from the failed efforts at drama with humor. It becomes especially problematic when the dramatic moments have NO humor, making it seem like a toggle between comedy and drama. Good blending of comedy/drama supports each other rather than being contradictory.
Something else, I noticed it a little with Doctor Strange but became more aware of it in Ragnarok, but there is a certain level of active disrespect of its characters. They are treated as the butt of jokes, not in a way that they are actually humiliated/humbled and learn to climb out of their funk, but in that the movie can only go so long without a joke and so do something to undermine their dignity. So the movie shows them humiliated as a joke and then shows them being awesome without adding any depth to their character for that contrast (such as Obfuscating Stupidity or Took a Level in Badass).
Need to find it again, but I recall finding an article talking about how "cutting down the guy who thinks they're smart" is a big part of Māori humor. Every time someone thinks they're about to do something wise and important, it blows up in their face.
Valkyrie exiting her ship to nab a prisoner? CRASH. Thor trying to lullaby Hulk? SMASH. Thor trying to break out through a window? SMACK. Thor monologuing about the importance of letting Surtur destroy Asgard? HULK.
So, complaining about the humor undercutting the characters' dignity... thing is, that's kind of the point. It's the whole joke.
edited 11th Mar '18 10:32:37 PM by Tuckerscreator
I remember reading some article about that. I rather enjoyed it but I can see how it wouldn't appeal to some people.
Honestly, Ragnarok's humor was completely up my alley. I was laughing so much. It was a fun time.
edited 11th Mar '18 10:41:09 PM by DeathsApprentice
When we're done, there won't be anything left.Of course it's a joke, wasn't arguing that. It doesn't really justify skewering all dramatic tension in a story that nominally involves genocide and an apocalypse. It's also not exclusive to Ragnarok and tends to apply to 3/4 of the characters, it's not particularly original if everyone gets the same gag.
Actually one of my favorite jokes of the film was in the Doctor Strange sequence, as Thor was annoyed but was trying to maintain his dignity, and especially when he summoned Mjolnir/umbrella back to his hand and gave Strange an apologetic shrug as you hear things smash. It was character humor rather than having fun at their expense.
I think that's what makes it work. The movie is so seemingly lighthearted that you're lured into thinking Asgard isn't really going to be destroyed, Ragnarok isn't going to happen... and then it's a surprise that it completely does.
It also really amplifies Hela's menace. She's the one character who is never really humiliated in any way until the climax (aside from Heimdall, perhaps). So she edges closes to a Knight of Cerebus with how impervious she is for nearly the entire film and how serious things get when she's around.
I don't really see it as being connected. This isn't a matter of the humor not being funny, but whether the movie mostly succeeds at everything it is trying to do. It's been a common complaint that the actual Hela story (with all the drama and pathos involved) was pushed aside in favor of the Thor/Hulk buddy comedy, so I wouldn't say it somehow works "better" that way. Half of the movie establishes that they are mostly trying to save as many Asgardians as possible, and the complete slaughter of their army and named characters other than Heimdall (and Skurge) leaves Asgard the place as superfluous. As such triggering Ragnarok with everyone evacuated is actually kind of a safe move, the audience isn't going to cry over the palace being destroyed, but it would be a lot darker if there were still survivors left behind.
All the members of the Black Order (Thanos' commanders & the siblings of Gammora & Nebula) are named after the color black.
Ergo Corvus Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, & Cull Obsidian.
I'm gonna assume Thanos gave them those names.
Fun fact there was a fifth member known as Supergiant who has been adapted out & Cull Obsidian was originally named Black Dwarf in the comics with Cull Obsidian being the actual name of the group.
edited 11th Mar '18 11:50:34 PM by slimcoder
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Jane was a case of "interesting idea, undermined by poor execution" for me.