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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#81976: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:13:42 PM

So, I just saw Thor ragnarok and....Im divided about it.

I mean, looking how it started, with Thor taking to Sultur is pretty much resume my issues with the movie: it have one of the BEST fights so far and I love how Thor used his hammer and his cockyness but is interject with the most forced humor EVER, it remid me of AOU and his inhability to shut up.

Also, Valkyrie stole the show hand down, if they go with Lady thunderstrike, she should be the one, that is a fact.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#81977: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:15:25 PM

Oh come on, the humor in Thor: Ragnarok is outright the funniest humor in all of the Marvel movies. Far better than anything in Age of Ultron.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#81978: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:17:31 PM

Compare it to GOTG if you want to actually make the comparison significant.

AOU was not exactly a high point.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81979: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:18:34 PM

Is anyone else thinking that IW will end up making less (at least domestically) than BP?

Going by the grosses of AOU and Civil War, the last two movies featuring lots of Avengers, there's no particular reason to expect IW to make over $600 mil. Avengers did so because it was the first good-quality big superhero team-up movie, but now that's less of a novelty.

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#81980: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:18:38 PM

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Different styles of humor but both had humor that enhanced the story.

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If I'm gonna be honest, I'm outright expecting Infinity War to not make as much as Black Panther. It'll make a lot but nowhere to Black Panther's extent.

edited 11th Mar '18 4:19:19 PM by AdricDePsycho

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81981: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:28:17 PM

I’m not sure whether I want Infinity War to surpass Black Panther. On the one hand, I hope IW is amazing and lots of people appreciate it and it makes tons of money as the culmination of Marvel’s long term planning.

On the other hand, I want Black Panther to be remembered as it deserves- as an incredible film in its own right, and as a symbol of what happens when you hire inclusively and give backing to the voices and stories of people of color.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#81982: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:33:15 PM

[up] Pretty much yeah.

If Black Panther tops the MCU's gross, while Wonder Woman does so with the DCEU, it will keep making it even more obvious that you don't need your hero to be a white dude to sell tickets.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81983: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:39:17 PM

I expect BP to beat IW at the domestic box office. For one thing, BP is making tons of money, and in addition, it has a relatively open field until IW debuts at the end of April - that's another 6-7 weeks to build on its already-formidable box office gross.

IW has 3 weeks to work with before Deadpool 2 comes out, followed by Solo a week later. It'll continue making some money after that, of course, but I'd expect a large drop-off.

edited 11th Mar '18 4:40:02 PM by Galadriel

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#81984: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:40:37 PM

...and if IW and Deadpool make Solo the least successful of the revived Star Wars movies, SW will be the one franchise where having a male lead is actually detrimental to selling tickets.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#81985: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:45:39 PM

Reactions to the Cloak and Dagger episode that aired at SXSW[1][2][3][4][5]

edited 11th Mar '18 4:51:09 PM by ComicFan

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#81986: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:48:47 PM

Hmm. Seems better than I expected.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81987: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:50:47 PM

[up][up][up] I would not be surprised if that happens. Solo is getting poor press and is up against stiff competition.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#81988: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:54:29 PM

"Compare it to GOTG if you want to actually make the comparison significant. AOU was not exactly a high point. "

Yeah, that was my point,, both movies dosent know well when to shut up.

Hell I can complain about GOTG in a lot of things but so far they know when to shut up and let the action talks on is own, having one of the most dramatic moment(when Ego said casualy about murdering Peter mother) and Ronan was pretty serious even if the movie was funny.

Meanwhile some moments of Ragnarok feels like a weird comedy sketch shoehorn in it for laughs.

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#81989: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:27:25 PM

Ragnarok knows plenty well in many scenes when to let it breathe some, with a couple of exceptions. I'd hardly compare anything in it to swill like Age of Ultron.

Probably helps that the comedy in it is good instead of annoying, dumb, or kind of crudely sexist.

edited 11th Mar '18 5:27:53 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#81990: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:28:27 PM

I find this discussion an interesting way to highlight tolerance of humor.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#81991: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:31:21 PM

[up][up]I agree in some cases like the whole "strongest avenger" or hulk interaction, but some of the dialogue come as pretty cringe by how out of place they are, Banner dialogue with Thor come as really out place and I feel like watching a sitcom, or feel trying to hard like Thor haging there in front of Sultur.

And of course the worst ofender is grandmaster, dear Odin Ragnarok does have the worst post credit scene EVER!.

[up]I tink is also in how movies aproach humor, it maybe weird for me saying this, but I really like how Civil war handle the humor from most part, well except the tony stank joke which was funny but unecesary.

edited 11th Mar '18 5:32:47 PM by unknowing

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#81992: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:33:30 PM

That scene was fucking hilarious though?

How is any of this just not funny? Ragnarok knows that it's meant to mostly be a comedic romp so it goes crazy with it, and I love that.

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#81993: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:34:29 PM

Humor is subjective. I thought most of it was pretty hilarious, but there were a couple awkward/too long jokes.

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#81994: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:35:49 PM

Saying it's "cringe" is taking it too far. Age of Ultron got to cringe territory. Spider-Man: Homecoming got to cringe territory. Doctor Strange was nothing but cringe territory. Thor: Ragnarok wasn't.

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#81995: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:36:32 PM

I note that in the scene of Odin's death and Hela's return, there were absolutely no jokes during the whole 6 minute period.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81996: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:37:09 PM

Banner in general is really freaking weird in Ragnarok. It's a little off putting sometimes.

In general, while Ragnarok is definitely one of if not the funniest MCU movie, I'd've preferred a little less humor/action and a little more plot, but eh. There were definitely a few cringey moments. Like a lot of Korg's humor towards the end of the movie.

edited 11th Mar '18 5:38:04 PM by KnownUnknown

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#81997: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:39:45 PM

Well in my case I like more situational humor or play by acting, which is Why i like civil war the most when is dealing with jokes, here my issues is the dialogue that it feel pretty damn unatural most of the time, like the whole "Im tony stark" moment, I didnt make me laught and just ask "Ok, WHY are you taking like that all the sudden?"

Which is why I didnt like Grandmaster, is just there taking and being silly over and over, the final moment when he just stand there taking was just grating for me.

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#81998: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:43:59 PM

Grandmaster was hilarious and the most Goldblum thing Goldblum has ever Goldblum'd.

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#81999: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:44:18 PM

People are allowed to not think things are funny.

[up] And if you don't think Jeff Goldblum is funny, that's a nightmare.

edited 11th Mar '18 5:44:45 PM by SonOfSharknado

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#82000: Mar 11th 2018 at 5:45:49 PM

Hey he's dead now at least. tongue

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