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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81951: Mar 10th 2018 at 9:52:12 PM

Well, that's terrifying.

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#81953: Mar 10th 2018 at 10:16:39 PM

[up][up][up][up] That one's actually pretty obvious. It made the most because it came RIGHT after the best movie of the three. When you watch a movie you really like, you're gonna see the sequel.

Fortunately/Unfortunately, online reviews weren't AS big a thing back then.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81954: Mar 10th 2018 at 11:33:52 PM

Though interestingly, it was the international box office which pushed Spider-Man 3 so high. Domestically Sony has gotten diminishing returns from the very first one onward, until Homecoming finally bucket the trend.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81955: Mar 11th 2018 at 12:02:07 AM

MCU Zemo is also a weird pick for a Thunderbolts plot, despite the Masters of Evil / Thunderbolts very much being a Zemo thing, because they made it so clear that in this incarnation he despises the idea of giving superhumans any kind of power or influence at all, and how his whole vendetta is - specifically - against the Avengers being around. He doesn't even really care if the individual members are alive, either.

The best set-up for a Thunderbolts movie is for a team to be created as a sort of replacement for the Avengers after they get wrecked but still win the events of Infinity War, only for them to turn out to be plundering supervillains pretending to be heroes, masterminded by a... well... a mastermind (I'd really love the idea of Thunderbolt Ross trying to create a team he can control, only to turn out to be John Trelawney and be tricked or pressured into acquiring the worst possible people). But either way, creating a powerful team of supervillains who will go on to bedevil the world is kind of the opposite of what Zemo wants.

edited 11th Mar '18 12:06:06 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81956: Mar 11th 2018 at 1:34:47 AM

[up] Isn't the Thunderbolt story that initially they were criminals posing as heroes for some nefarious plan? I certainly can see Zemo coming up with something like this, trying to destroy the notion that Superheroes are a good thing once and for all, and I can even see him snapping out of his desire for revenge after seeing the work the Avengers do from their perspective.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81957: Mar 11th 2018 at 8:43:25 AM

I always thought Zemo would assemble the Masters of Evil so he could get all these supervillains in one room and kill them. But then perhaps they prove too useful.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#81958: Mar 11th 2018 at 9:31:37 AM

Well, I would like Zemo to do something Thunderbolts-related, partly becuse it's a cool idea, but partly because I really find unsettling that he's given such a cruel Fate Worse than Death, such that almost anything would be better, including (for instance) having the Rosses implanting an Explosive Leash in him and using him for missions.

That being said, the guy is a very smart ex-special forces operative, but IIRC, he doesn't give any signs of having the Charles Atlas Superpower skills of say Natasha or Barton. So other than the kidness of someone's heart, I'm not sure there is a good pragmatic reason to use him as a Boxed Crook. Well, possibly for his intellect (Hannibal Lecter style), but I'm trying to think of a good in-universe justification for him being on a super-hero team.

Know this is a long post, but was imagining a future film where at the end of the movie, Zemo (?), Toomes, Ghost, and whoever are in a room and Hawkeye Scott walks in and welcomes them to the Thunderbolts Initiative- it would be a parody of Nick Fury's scene. Maybe Scott would even put on an eyepatch as a joke.

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#81959: Mar 11th 2018 at 9:49:27 AM

Edit: apologies. I'm not asking why it didn't make more. I'm asking why the worst of the Raimi Spidey movies made the most money.

The hype because the second one was really well regarded, and people were excited to see the follow-up. Same thing happened with X-Men: The Last Stand. X2 was very well reviewed so people went into the sequel going "Well, the last one was so good, this one has to be even better, right?"

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81960: Mar 11th 2018 at 10:33:00 AM

Similarly, Iron Man 3 was okay at best and had a very mixed reception, but it made loads of money (esp. internationally) because it came right after Avengers.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#81961: Mar 11th 2018 at 10:52:07 AM

I had a laugh thinking about everyone in Disney's marketing department being hired to make last-minute changes to the Infinity War posters so that T'Challa's face is bigger and right in the middle.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81962: Mar 11th 2018 at 2:41:36 PM

I'll be OK if he becomes MCU's Wonder Woman.

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#81964: Mar 11th 2018 at 2:45:55 PM

I mean, he is a king. He’d rock a crown.

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#81966: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:22:10 PM

The key difference is that Marvel was always betting on Black Panther being a success.

The first trailer already featured T'Challa prominently and revealed that a major action sequence takes place in Wakanda. So Marvel doesn't need to change course in their Infinity War marketing since the "If Black Panther is successful" plan was Plan A.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81967: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:36:28 PM

Yes, but I don’t think they predicted HOW successful Black Panther would be. I’d bet they’re gleefully counting piles of cash and editing the posters/trailers to have more T’Challa now.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81968: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:38:05 PM

Money, money, MONEEEEEY (in high-pitched voice)!!!!!

edited 11th Mar '18 3:38:27 PM by slimcoder

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81969: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:41:08 PM

People noticed he has no real presence in the toy line for the film, but that’s like due to the two films being released so close together.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81970: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:47:47 PM

wild mass guess Vibranium is the only thing in the universe immune to the Infinity Gauntlet's power. T'Challa goes mano e mano with Thanos while the rest of the team dies dramatically. Optionally T'Challa dies for awhile so that Shuri can become Black Panther until she invents a cure for death.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81971: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:49:54 PM

I have half a mind to believe they'll adapt in some way that fight at the end of Secret War where T'Challa wields the Infinity Gauntlet against a God-like Doom while the universe was collapsing around them.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81972: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:51:08 PM

Someone I know has a theory that Vibranium might have another Infinity Stone in it or something.

Any thoughts on that.

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#81973: Mar 11th 2018 at 3:56:24 PM

So what your're suggesting is that Vibranium made from the same stuff as the stones themselves?

interesting

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#81975: Mar 11th 2018 at 4:05:01 PM

All of them I suspect

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