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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#81926: Mar 10th 2018 at 3:29:10 PM

Is there even a point in a second trailer? The movie is less than two months away, just use commercials.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81927: Mar 10th 2018 at 3:47:13 PM

Technically the trailer we already have was supposed to be a teaser.....but honestly, I don't need more. I will watch the movie anyway.

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#81928: Mar 10th 2018 at 3:49:57 PM

> Is there even a point in a second trailer? The movie is less than two months away, just use commercials.

Trailers create more hype then your average commercial or so I reckon

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#81929: Mar 10th 2018 at 3:51:51 PM

Have they ever mentioned an interest in a Thunderbolts movie?

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#81930: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:50:30 PM

They have not, but there are some who feel that Civil War strongly hinted at one. Specifically, the line from T'Challa to Zemo when he stopped him from killing himself: "The world is not done with you yet."

That's kind of a weird line. It's poetic but kinda meaningless from a Watsonian perspective. It feels like it's there just for the Doylist meaning: "We still need you for another movie we have planned."

And when people think of Marvel properties that would be difficult to adapt without Zemo, Thunderbolts is the first example that comes to mind. It's far from confirmation, but it's definitely in the "Don't be surprised if they announce X" category.

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#81931: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:51:16 PM

No, it works well enough from a Watsonian perspective. "Nah, you don't get to kill yourself. You go to jail, bitch."

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#81932: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:51:33 PM

Plus they left Zemo alive, which could always be used to bring him back again.

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#81933: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:52:33 PM

No, it works well enough from a Watsonian perspective. "Nah, you don't get to kill yourself. You go to jail, bitch."

Yeah, I think it was pretty transparent what T'Challa meant.

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#81934: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:54:17 PM

Going to jail has nothing to do with the words that were said. "The world is not done with you," sounds like there's some grand cosmic destiny that Zemo still needs to fulfill. It's literally saying that the entire planet is invested in his continued survival.

Which makes sense from the perspective of, "You need to be alive for the next movie that you're going to star in," but not nearly as much sense from the perspective of T'Challa.

edited 10th Mar '18 6:55:48 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81935: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:54:57 PM

More "not done with you" as in "not done beating the shit outta you, you don't get to escape that way".

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#81936: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:56:19 PM

That seems like a really cruel reading of a scene that's defined as T'Challa embracing mercy.

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#81937: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:57:31 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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#81938: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:58:38 PM

Cruel Mercy.

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#81939: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:00:07 PM

It's really not.

It's a stretch to suggest that T'Challa, at the climactic resolution to his character arc, went in five seconds from "I'm through being consumed by vengeance," to "LOL I'm going to savor watching you suffer for your crimes!" There is no room in this scene for a cruel motive in saving Zemo.

edited 10th Mar '18 7:00:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81940: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:03:50 PM

It's not vindictive. It's more a sense of, "No, you don't get to take the easy way out and escape justice by killing yourself."

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#81941: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:05:19 PM

I am curious as to how a Thunderbolts movie would work especially since Zemo just wants to die than do anything else.

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#81942: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:07:53 PM

I think the problem is that Tobias is getting the line wrong and is therefore, as he is wont to do (love you, though), extrapolating on how dumb the movie universe is and how much smarter he is. The line is "The living are not done with you yet." And, in case I missed something, the courts are operated by living people.

edited 10th Mar '18 7:08:02 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#81943: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:11:29 PM

No, it works well enough from a Watsonian perspective. "Nah, you don't get to kill yourself. You go to jail, bitch."

I thought it was clear it meant that.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81944: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:14:31 PM

I thought of it as more "we need you alive to clear Bucky's name of my father's murder"

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#81945: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:14:36 PM

Vulture would also be perfect for a Thunderbolts movie.

Hmmh depending on whether she makes it out alive Ghost could too.

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#81946: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:15:54 PM

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Could you please not make personal attacks against Tobias like that? That's not helping anything.

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#81947: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:16:12 PM

I am curious as to how a Thunderbolts movie would work especially since Zemo just wants to die than do anything else.

Make him ingest an immortality serum and then hide the antidote within the villain's chest cavity.

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#81948: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:17:02 PM

Yeah Tobias, I really think you're grossly misreading T'Challa's line here (which by the way, yes it is "the living are not done with you yet", not the world, for whatever difference that makes). He's not being deliberately cruel, he's just saying that Zemo doesn't get to take the easy way out and has to properly be punished for his crimes no matter what the pain he's suffered. That's not him being vindictive, that's just him wanting justice.

It's really that simple.

edited 10th Mar '18 7:19:18 PM by Draghinazzo

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#81949: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:36:48 PM

Agreed.

Not on the insulting Tobias thing; that wasn't necessary. But on the actual intent behind T'challa stopping Zemo from killing himself.

The highest-grossing Spider-film of all time, Spider-Man 3, only made $890.9 million.

....   WHY!!!?   

Edit: apologies. I'm not asking why it didn't make more. I'm asking why the worst of the Raimi Spidey movies made the most money.

edited 10th Mar '18 7:38:03 PM by HandsomeRob

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#81950: Mar 10th 2018 at 7:57:02 PM

Yondu Poppins Returns, ya'all: https://imgur.com/a/ZFzKM

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