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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#81901: Mar 9th 2018 at 5:17:27 PM

Maybe they should go back to the Pre-Crisis canon where there was no continuity save what the author chose.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81902: Mar 9th 2018 at 5:38:27 PM

It is essentially the same problem Whedon mentioned when talking about the movies: a company isn't gonna let a popular hero stay dead when there is still money they could milk out of them.

[up]Interestingly, George Miller's Justice League (which would've come out at the same time as The Dark Knight saga, but would've been set in its own universe) ended with the death of the Flash, which I thought was a very bold move, especially for what was supposed to be a first movie.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81903: Mar 9th 2018 at 9:45:40 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but apparently the "Bucky is now White Wolf" thing has been debunked by Sebastian Stan on his Instagram. Notably he's not going by the Winter Soldier anymore but his shirt just calls him "Bucky". Not "White Wolf".

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81905: Mar 9th 2018 at 11:49:53 PM

It's different for the MCU though, simply because actors age out of their roles eventually. The MCU has actually pretty wasteful with their characters. In a comic book, they wouldn't kill villains left and right, because the hero needs a villain and it is a waste of time to be forced to establish a new one again and again and again.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81906: Mar 10th 2018 at 12:20:22 AM

Btw...major spoilers for Ao S but we have our first wedding in the MCU!

Yeah for the 100th episode....not bad for a TV show. Not bad at all. only few reach that milestone. Though, I did the math, and unless I made a mistake, the Netflix verse together has now exactly 99 episodes. (26 for Daredevil and Jessica jones makes 52 episodes, plus 13 episode for Luke Cage, Iron Fist and The Punisher makes additional 39, meaning 91 altogether plus the 8 Defender episodes).

edited 10th Mar '18 1:16:45 AM by Swanpride

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81907: Mar 10th 2018 at 3:28:46 AM

There is a roundtable for the 100 episodes...well, there are a number of special vids they did, but that one is especially interesting because they discuss how various scenes were shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9g0CsjTMXE

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#81908: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:21:09 AM

Behind the scene shots from Captain Marvel has everyone wondering... (Spoiler-tagged in case it turns out to be true.)

Is Nick Fury really a Skrull?

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#81909: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:27:02 AM

clearly he's a kree

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#81910: Mar 10th 2018 at 6:31:24 AM

I would not be surprised in the slightest if there was a Skrull disguised as Fury in the film, though that's not the same as speculating that the Nick Fury we know from the other movies is a Skrull, which I doubt.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#81911: Mar 10th 2018 at 8:34:18 AM

[up] Count me in on hoping the latter doesn't happen. Realizing the guy who jump-started the Avengers Initiative was a shape-shifting space goblin (anyone else think Skrulls looks like they could be goblins?) would be too heavy a Gut Punch for me.

Anyway:

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#81912: Mar 10th 2018 at 8:38:08 AM

but I'm not wearing any pants!

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#81914: Mar 10th 2018 at 9:09:50 AM

Black Panther crosses $1 billion, the first mcu movie to do it without Iron Man[1]

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#81916: Mar 10th 2018 at 9:45:59 AM

Come to think of it it's amazing Spider-Man(heh) Homecoming didn't make a million.

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#81917: Mar 10th 2018 at 10:13:27 AM

Probably from a sense of "didn't we just do this movie?" from the general audience. The actual film managed to be it's own thing, but I could see the public perception turning a few people off. It'll be interesting to see how Miles' film does (I hope it does well, it's so pretty!).

To be more precise, DC and Marvel haven't "figured it out" because the way they set up their universes as never ending soaps puts some pretty severe constrictions on what they can do. Not necessarily just by definition, but in the sense that the company changes hands and a good decision or growth of a character can easily be done away with by people who care more about what they grew up with than what makes for a good story.
This pretty much explains why I never really got into mainstream superhero comics. I like the shared universe stuff, but I'm also a fan of character consistency and stories that have a clear beginning, middle, and end. I hope we'll get to see the MCU grow and change over time, with some characters moving out of the spotlight as time goes on.

Except Wolverine. If we bring him back I want a small, grumpy Canadian actor to play him, because that is canon, dammit.

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#81918: Mar 10th 2018 at 10:13:32 AM

No, it's not. Spider-Man's never made a billion. It's never even been close. The highest-grossing Spider-film of all time, Spider-Man 3, only made $890.9 million.

Homecoming is a close second at $880.2 million, but still far from a billion.

Breaking the billion-dollar barrier is really hard.

edited 10th Mar '18 10:14:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#81919: Mar 10th 2018 at 10:22:19 AM

Get some pants from Mephisto, Ultimatum

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81920: Mar 10th 2018 at 10:22:52 AM

There are 33 films that have passed the $1 billion mark, many of which are fairly middling (or worse) franchise films: e.g., Minions, Despicable Me 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and 4, Transformers 2 and 4. I was surpised Homecoming didn't pass the mark (and that it didn't reach $400 mil domestic).

The biggest Spidey movies were the Raimi ones, and they came out before the Chinese box office really took off, so I'm not surprised by them not passing $1 billion. But most people expected Homecoming to be absolutely huge, as the debut of Spidey in the MCU, and it ended up with just middling grosses. It made less than the Jumanji reboot (which, granted, says as much about the Jumanji reboot as it does about Spidey).

edited 10th Mar '18 10:26:35 AM by Galadriel

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#81921: Mar 10th 2018 at 11:13:18 AM

Spider-Man 3 made a billion if you adjust for inflation, though.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81922: Mar 10th 2018 at 12:23:06 PM

After all the whining about the next Trailer I am actually no longer in the mood for one. Those fans are really annoying.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
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#81924: Mar 10th 2018 at 2:17:04 PM

> Get some pants from Mephisto, Ultimatum

I will not exchange my soul for pants!

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81925: Mar 10th 2018 at 2:18:23 PM

[up] I have no idea....but it is really annoying when every time something Ao S related is dropped there are a bunch of people complaining "no, not that, we want the trailer" or even going so far to sh... all over Aos - and that while the actual fans of the show want nothing but celebrate episode 100.


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