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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#81851: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:16:52 PM

Couslon doesn't appear in the movies anymore (the one part they care about)

We knew Bucky was coming back when the second Cap movie was titled "Winter Soldier"

Fury is gonna Fury

And Jan still up in the air.

Like they're showing restraint considering comics bring back characters after like 8 seconds.

edited 9th Mar '18 12:17:54 PM by NoName999

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#81852: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:18:02 PM

I wouldn't count Agent Carter because her show was set before she died

That's a very different animal

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#81853: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:18:11 PM

When people talk about deaths not sticking in the MCU, they're mainly talking about good guys. Supporting characters or villains remaining dead aren't the point. The question isn't phrased perfectly, because what they're really saying is, "Every time you kill off a hero, they spring back to life, so why should I be concerned with the prospect of major Avengers dying?" Which is a more fair criticism.

In addition to Bucky, Stark, Coulson, Fury, and J.A.R.V.I.S., let's also add Groot to that list.

edited 9th Mar '18 12:18:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81854: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:19:09 PM

I refuse

Identity death is death

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#81855: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:19:17 PM

I'm not sure Fury counts because it was a fake out revealed 20 minutes later

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#81856: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:20:10 PM

All of these deaths are fake-outs. That's the point. They're like, "Oh no, this character died," and then they're like, "PSYCHE he's back it's fine."

And fans have caught on to that and now they're just like, "So, who's fake-dead today?"

edited 9th Mar '18 12:20:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81857: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:22:11 PM

Matt Murdock

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#81858: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:24:30 PM

Plus since it involves the Infinity Gauntlet, where the comics storyline had everything die and get resurrected at the end, it's hard to think of death as permanent when something that powerful is in play.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#81859: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:24:35 PM

That makes the complaint sillier as Marvel is not the only who does that. Like, might as well complain about the entirety of human folklore.

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#81860: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:26:22 PM

People do complain about the entirety of human folklore.

Like. It's literally a trope.

Marvel's pulled a lot of death fakeouts and outright resurrections, and that's a genie you can't stuff back in the bottle. As a result, it's hard for some fans to take the threat of killing off major characters seriously. This happens to a lot of series; Marvel isn't unique or special in that regard.

EDIT: Wong! Wong's another one. He was resurrected onscreen through time magic.

edited 9th Mar '18 12:28:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81861: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:42:41 PM

See, it's a testament to just how much I was not paying attention to Doctor Strange when I watched it that I don't remember that at all.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81862: Mar 9th 2018 at 1:03:37 PM

I think revealing someone survived within the same movie is different than bringing them back after the fact. The only major people that died and came back later are Bucky and Coulson. The former had a Disney Death so fucking telegraphed that any comic reader should have anticipated his return. The latter is still dead for all the movies care.

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#81863: Mar 9th 2018 at 1:45:30 PM

I don't think that distinction matters that much if your concern is that Marvel's going to be like, "Iron Man just died! OH NO!" and then you'll be like, "Wait for it," and then ten minutes later Marvel will be like, "Whoops, he was alive all along! Or just popped back to life!"

Like. These are all a bunch of arbitrary distinctions when the main point of contention is Like You Would Really Do It. That is how people feel. They feel like any major character "killed off" will just be brought back to life immediately after.

Quicksilver is notable specifically for the fact that he's an aversion. And people are livid that he is, because everyone and their dog gets to be brought back but Quicksilver got Killed Off for Real.

edited 9th Mar '18 1:46:59 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81864: Mar 9th 2018 at 1:54:23 PM

Quicksilver was also a cheat since he was introduced just to die, and thus there wasn’t a lot of buildup or audience connection.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81865: Mar 9th 2018 at 1:55:35 PM

They clearly did not want to compete with Foxsilver.

So they decided to cut their losses & consider him expendable.

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#81866: Mar 9th 2018 at 1:58:53 PM

Foxsilver's overrated. He was an otherwise forgettable character who happened to have one cool scene before quitting out on the movie.

Marvelsilver never quite tops that one cool scene, but he has a consistent presence and manages to be entertaining and memorable throughout the film.

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#81867: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:02:49 PM

Gotta disagree. I felt he was underutilized to such a point that I had no real emotional response to his death. Other than perhaps “Oh that’s surprising.”

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#81868: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:04:36 PM

I think I agree with comicwriter. The only thing that really sticks with me is his catchphrase. I can remember a few other things, like his death, but I don't those really have anything to do with his character being memorable.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#81869: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:05:00 PM

If you’re telling me you aren’t looking forward to the Quicksilver scene in Dark Phoenix you’re lying.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
Serial Procrastinator
#81870: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:05:50 PM

I mean, Foxsilver's a one scene wonder. But it's a good scene. And he's got an identity. Marvelsilver's just kind of a nonentity.

I mean, just give me one character trait of Marvelsilver. One.

edited 9th Mar '18 2:08:20 PM by Sigilbreaker26

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81871: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:07:56 PM

Yeah Foxsilver literally steals the show whenever he's in due to his manic energy & his bullet-time sequences are considered the best moments of the movies.

Marvelsilver................ he tried catching Mjolnir that one time.

edited 9th Mar '18 2:08:07 PM by slimcoder

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81872: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:08:33 PM

I thought Marvelsilver was entertaining; very charismatic and one of my favorite parts of Ao U. I haven’t watched the Foxsilver movies, but I’ve watched video clips of some of his scenes and I do not like what I’ve seen of him.

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#81873: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:09:48 PM

Foxsilver likes Alice Cooper, that's already a notch above the other guy.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#81874: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:10:56 PM

Trying to catch Mjolnir is a nice character moment, I think.

But that's like...all he gets.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81875: Mar 9th 2018 at 2:18:54 PM

I prefer Foxsilver as well, at least I can remember him.


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