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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#81826: Mar 8th 2018 at 1:55:32 PM

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I've also seen people ask to take spoilers to the specific film threads before.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81827: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:38:43 PM

Can we be more careful about Infinity war spoilers, though? We are now nearing the dangerous phase and I certainly don't want to know if any memes becoming canon or not, or anything else. I might not even watch any additional trailers. I want to go into the movie as unspoiled as possible.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#81828: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:39:24 PM

spoilers:Thanos gets defeated by Squirrel girl!

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#81829: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:43:41 PM

[[spailars:In Avengers Infinity War, there are Avengers and a war but it is not infinite.]]

edited 8th Mar '18 2:44:15 PM by Tuckerscreator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81830: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:45:19 PM

[[sploirs:Thanos gets defeated because oops he drops the cube and gets arrested by police.]]

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#81831: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:46:24 PM

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#81833: Mar 8th 2018 at 2:50:29 PM

This is probably a whole lot of nothing, but Bucky's tactical vest in IW looks a lot like the blue coat he wore in The First Avenger. I wonder if that was deliberate?

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81834: Mar 8th 2018 at 3:30:22 PM

It would be a fantastic bit of costume/character work if that was deliberate.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81835: Mar 8th 2018 at 3:37:00 PM

This part is interesting. It's our first real notion in years about what Thanos' actual plan might be.

Since Thanos is a glass-half-full guy, he sees his mission as saving half the universe. But to do that, he wants to kill off the other half.

Doesn't sound like he's trying to make Death love him, at any rate. At least, not specifically. Maybe they've interpreted him as a cosmic Ra's Al Ghul, or maybe along the lines of how Justice League: Doom interpreted Vandal Savage: culling the population so the rest can more easily adapt to his glorious rule.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81836: Mar 8th 2018 at 3:57:04 PM

On a different note: It's a special day tomorrow: Ao S airs its 100 episode. Who would have predicted that after the first episodes.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81837: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:09:57 PM

Hmmm, Thanos without his death obsession, this is scary new ground.

Completly flies into the face of why I thought Thanos made the perfect final Avengers villain post Avengers (2012). (being a team of 'avenging' alien deterrents doesn't work if the alien has no fear of being killed, unlike Loki he cannot be threatened)

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#81838: Mar 8th 2018 at 4:35:25 PM

I wonder if the love obsession with Death was deemed too weird and nonsensical..even for a marvel movie?

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MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#81839: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:18:38 PM

Okay, but then someone needs to explain the creepy 'challenge accepted' grin he gave in response to the "to challenge them is to court death" line.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81840: Mar 8th 2018 at 6:35:25 PM

I mean, he'll probably still keep the Death obsession. But it's possible that's not his major objective.

Like, maybe they'll make him a warlord who wants to rule, but has no problem killing scores of people not just because he's a Blood Knight, because he sees death as a glorious thing worthy of devoting oneself to. I remember Star Control 2 interpreted their Big Bads that way, more or less. It was pretty cool.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81841: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:28:22 PM

Interestingly he was tasked with killing half the universe in the original storyline, but he kinda suffered Motive Decay and it just turned into him trying to win Death's love. Prior to that, he actually had a whole speech where he explained to Silver Surfer why the universe's overpopulation was a serious problem and why genocide was the only humane solution.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81842: Mar 8th 2018 at 7:43:39 PM

Oh well then they are keeping him in character then.

I hope Lady Death makes an appearance & even better if she makes mention of a certain loudmouth who is her only one true love. tongue

Thanos is clearly a bit Blood Knight since he's enjoying conquering the universe.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81843: Mar 9th 2018 at 10:27:03 AM

Brolin had some very interesting stuff to say about Thanos' character and motivation, as well as his interactions with Gamora in the film.

EW: Is he also the abusive father? We know from the Guardians films he kidnapped Gamora (Zoe Saldana) and Nebula (Karen Gillan) and trained them to be child soldiers.

Josh Brolin: They’re tools to him.

EW: Is he cold the whole way through, or does he feel any affection for them?

JB: Yeah. I do think he does. When you see the relationship with Gamora and you see that evolves, God I wish I could tell you. I can’t! When [directors Joe and Anthony Russo] came up to me after we had done maybe three quarters of the film, they said, “It wasn’t necessarily intended that you feel for this guy as much as you do.” Obviously he has a grand plan, like somebody who’s pulling in kids for their own selfish bloodshed. But he has a capacity to love very much and very deeply.

edited 9th Mar '18 10:27:34 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81844: Mar 9th 2018 at 10:32:43 AM

And Feige pretty much confirms we will see some major deaths and retirements.

EW: When we talk about resolution or a character’s story ending, are we necessarily talking about death?

Kevin Feige: People always will jump to that. That’s not necessarily what we’re talking about. I talk a lot, because I’m a big-ass nerd, about Star Trek: The Next Generation, “All Good Things.” That to me is one of the best series finales ever. That wasn’t about death. Picard went and played poker with the crew, something he should have done a long time ago, right?

EW: One criticism you’ve gotten is when somebody dies in a Marvel movie, they tend to come back in some way. If it happens, will it be for real this time?

Kevin Feige: Yes. I mean, I could always list off the characters that we’ve killed in our movies that haven’t come back, but the big ones, which I know they’re looking at …? [Pause.] I would just say, yes. People need to be careful what they wish for.

edited 9th Mar '18 10:32:56 AM by comicwriter

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#81845: Mar 9th 2018 at 10:57:23 AM

[up][up]There’s a one-shot from way back when where Thanos reflects on raising Gamora, even giving her Christmas presents as a means to give her a more “normal” upbringing, thinking it would make her more useful. Long story short, it establishes he has a capacity to care, but buries it really, really deep for the sake of his goals.

I wonder if that comic characterization is going to be used.

edited 9th Mar '18 11:00:51 AM by Beatman1

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#81846: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:13:11 PM

EW: One criticism you’ve gotten is when somebody dies in a Marvel movie, they tend to come back in some way. If it happens, will it be for real this time?

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WHO?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#81847: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:14:38 PM

Coulson and Bucky have both been narratively resurrected. The films have also employed a few Disney Deaths such as Iron Man at the end of Avengers 1 or Pepper in Iron Man 3.

Oh! And J.A.R.V.I.S., who reincarnated sort of as Vision.

edited 9th Mar '18 12:15:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81848: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:14:48 PM

Bucky came back; that’s the only one I can think of. Well, and I guess T’Challa has a brief “he might be dead” bit.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#81849: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:15:01 PM

Bucky?

Died in the first Captain America film and came back as the Winter Solider

Agent Coulson died in the Avengers film then came back for the TV series

edited 9th Mar '18 12:15:40 PM by Ultimatum

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#81850: Mar 9th 2018 at 12:15:22 PM

Bucky and Janet and Nick Fury and Coulson but only on tv

The criticism is overwrought because plenty of people stay dead. Quicksilver, Frigga, most villains

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