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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#81751: Mar 7th 2018 at 4:30:13 PM

Scott not taking Stark's side isn't in question. I was responding to this:

Except Pete picked the wrong guy to fanboy over.

I mean cmon it's Captain fucking America.

Iron Man's got nothing on him.

Iron Man's as much a big-name super-celebrity as Captain America is, so it makes sense that Peter would fanboy over him just as much as Scott fanboys over Cap.

edited 7th Mar '18 4:33:36 PM by TobiasDrake

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81752: Mar 7th 2018 at 4:32:08 PM

It's also worth noting that Scott's previous foray into superheroing also involved going outside the law and being forgiven for it because it was the right thing to do. Pretty far too: they blatantly imploded an entire building and murdered the CEO of major corporation, which would be extremely bad for them even if Cross didn't rather blatantly have government contracts in addition to his more duplicitous ones - it's rather the definition of domestic terrorism.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#81753: Mar 7th 2018 at 4:33:12 PM

But the important thing is that it's Tony Stark's fault and he should be hated for it.tongue

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#81754: Mar 7th 2018 at 4:34:05 PM

Scott and Peter parallel each other in interesting ways. They're both wise-cracking goofballs who are thoroughly unaffiliated with either side of the central conflict. They're third parties recruited by their respective side despite having no actual stake in the conflict but who buy in out of enthusiasm for their side's leader.

And they both wind up being wildcards whose skillsets and abilities leave the other side utterly flummoxed.

edited 7th Mar '18 4:35:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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#81755: Mar 7th 2018 at 5:32:39 PM

Should've gone with Team Thor like I did.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81756: Mar 7th 2018 at 5:34:02 PM

[up][up] That was why I brought it up. Their loyalty is to Cap and Stark only and that they're even being used at all is the big sign that both are making moral compromises.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81757: Mar 7th 2018 at 5:39:48 PM

Stark deliberately brought a teenager into a fight despite the fact that "getting a teenager killed" was his motivation for signing the Accords in the first place.

Cap asked for assistance from another adult superhero in order to stop a villain from getting control of around a half-dozen or dozen super-assassins.

Only the former really feels like a "moral compromise".

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81758: Mar 7th 2018 at 5:48:12 PM

Oh Stark's decision is definitely morally much worse, I just think that getting Antman involved is a sign of escalation for Cap as well.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81759: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:01:07 PM

I mean, Spidey is probably the third most powerful super there. And no one would be utilising lethal force. Like, I could imagine there's risks of Spidey getting injured, but, I'm not sure he can get injured?

There's greater risk of Spidey getting someone else killed. Perhaps by throwing an oil truck at someone.

edited 7th Mar '18 6:04:07 PM by Whowho

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81760: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:02:12 PM

Doesn't mean there won't be life-threatening accidents.

Just look at poor Rhodey.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81761: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:06:25 PM

[up][up] He's also one of the least experienced.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81762: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:06:54 PM

But Spidey isn't a fifty year old man in a tin can of explosives. He's got the proportional strength of a spider.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81763: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:11:41 PM

He can still get shot or stabbed, he doesn't have super-durability.

Also if he doesn't have intense control over his strength then he could hurt someone far more than necessary.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81764: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:13:48 PM

That doesn't make him invincible. He could get hit by a rocket or hit by a laser or an exploding bus.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#81765: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:14:33 PM

Scott's lucky that truck only hit Rhodey.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#81766: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:23:56 PM

Like I said, the real risk of putting inexperienced supers into that fight is that they pose a danger to others.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81767: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:24:34 PM

Irrespective of how tough Spider-Man is, he's a 15-year-old kid who hadn't been in any major fights prior to that time, and Tony threw him into a battle involving someone who was (going by Tony's knowledge) an unstable and dangerous assassin who had no reservations about using lethal force.

The Winter Soldier is infamous, and Spidey isn't bulletproof.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#81768: Mar 7th 2018 at 6:31:41 PM

Also, Scott was asked for his help. As opposed to saying no and getting blackmailed into helping anyway.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
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#81770: Mar 7th 2018 at 7:23:22 PM

Wasn't Tony's order just to keep distance and web them up? Peter being inexperienced seems to have been more of an issue in theory, especially since everyone got caught off guard by the escalation.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81771: Mar 7th 2018 at 7:27:59 PM

You don't get a kid involved precisely because you don't know what could happen. He wasn't sending him on a milk run.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"
Cross (Don’t ask)
#81772: Mar 7th 2018 at 7:46:40 PM

Unfortunately here there is also an overlap since the kid in question had skills that proved to be useful.

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#81773: Mar 7th 2018 at 7:52:02 PM

I can't remember - does this Peter invent his web shooters? Because if the plan really was just to have him sit far away from the action and tie people up, Stark could have probably borrowed the shooters and used a robot instead.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#81774: Mar 7th 2018 at 8:13:02 PM

Also, Scott was asked for his help. As opposed to saying no and getting blackmailed into helping anyway.

In Stark's defense, I'm pretty sure threatening to tell Aunt May was a joke on his part. If Peter had stood his ground and still said no, Stark would have shaken his hand and left peacefully. That being said, Peter is a fifteen year old kid, so I'm absolutely sure he took that threat 100% seriously. Might fall into Dude, Not Funny!.

Also, Stark didn't know Cap had brought reinforcements. If it was just the people that Stark knew about, Peter could have webbed them up by himself easily. Toss in backup from Stark's team, and it's easy to see how Stark would think he wouldn't be in any danger.

Now, all this aside, Stark shouldn't have dragged Peter into it. It's clear Reckless Endangerment, and Ross said he was lucky not to be in a cell after the airport fight. Ross didn't explicitly mention Peter, but I imagine he's on Ross's list of things that Stark did wrong.

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#81775: Mar 7th 2018 at 9:08:27 PM

Once his movie length nervous breakdown ends, Tony himself seems remorseful over involving Peter

A lot of his actions in Homecoming are, ironically, damage control. And unfortunately backfire to some extent too

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