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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
The film seemingly sets up an arc that Scott has a problem with going for get-rich-quick heists. But then he never actually learns from this. He just happens to luck out that the guy on the last heist was looking to hire him. Scott’s character development is absent.
edited 7th Mar '18 12:20:41 PM by Tuckerscreator
His character arc is "how far will I go for my daughter? Well, I'll definitely ignore a court order to see her. I'd rob an old man for her. Guess I'm going to die for her." And then he doesn't.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersYeah I apriciate that Scott is a hero who's motivated by his love for his family, rather than hindered for it.
I'd like to see that develop further.
Regarding The original Wasp, I like to head cannon that the Avenger Initiative actually debuted in the 70/80s. A super hero nuclear deterrent. You launch a missile, these guys in spandex will turn up and beat you up to Avenge. Nick Fury always made it sound like he was dusting off an old project when he would mention it.
Basically I like the head canon because it allows Janet to be a founding member and originator of the name. I always pictured Wonderman and Mar'vell as the other members. With a plot line or two about brain scanning, leading to Toby Jones being cassette taped, Wonderman being jarvised, and Hank Pym's brain waves being scanned so they could later be utilised in the first iteration of the Ultron project.
What confuses me about Scott's character development arc is, why would he go to Steve's side during Captain America Civil War if he knew that it would result in him becoming a fugitive? I get that he's a Cap fanboy, and knowing Scott he probably agrees that the Accords are wrong, but I doubt he would go so far as to actively help Steve there because it would essentially send him back to square one vis-a-vis his relationship to Maggie and Paxton, only now he's also dragged Hank and Hope into it.
Basically, Ant-Man is a victim of the event tie-in ruining the status quo for a particular section of the universe. So, like any given tie-in nowadays.
AND WHY THE HELL DID HE KISS HOPE AT THE END?! THAT WASN'T CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! WHAT!
I think Wright's story might of worked fine as a purely standalone movie, but that just wasn't the kind of movie the MCU needed.
Payton Reed did his best taking the core of what Wright made and brought in what the MCU needed, most importantly setting up the Wasp for future movies, in an astonishingly short span of time. And while I think this could of been done betternote , I'm looking forward to see what Payton Reed can do when the movie is constructed from the beginning to include the Wasp as the co-lead.
I doubt Scott has an opinion on the Accords, honestly. I'd be surprised if he even knows what they are. They're way out of his sphere of awareness, they don't apply to him, and we never really see them discussed. By all appearances, Falcon just went to him and was like, "Hey, Captain America wants you for a job," and Scott was like, "Holy crap, Captain America?! I'm sold. I don't even care what it is. CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!"
Cap would later explain that "we're outside the law on this one", so it's not like he went into it without knowing he was about to become a fugitive. But the actual law? Even the actual Avengers it applied to didn't even know it was happening until Ross showed up to brief them. Scott probably doesn't follow obscure U.N. rulings as a hobby, so I'd be surprised if he even knows it's a thing.
Because that's her whole reason for existing
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edited 7th Mar '18 12:47:22 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I choose to believe that they knew Hank would come through that door and they were trolling him.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersSo I've thought back to Ant-Man and the Wasp. It looks like a fun continuation of what I liked about the first movie and it's cool to see Hope really getting in on the action like she should've before. But...given that it's following Black Panther AND Infinity War, it's maybe not in the best place, coming off of two of the most important movies in the MCU. Not really a unique opinion, but it's a thought that's gonna follow me when I go to see both movies. Still expecting both to be at least enjoyable since Marvel's been on a good streak with their movies.
On my wave, passing oooooooonYeah, as much as I like Scott and Paul Rudd (which is really the same thing), there's some conflict between the idea of Scott as a competent Gentleman Thief and as a lovable doof, which I think the movie mostly but not completely justifies. Which also gives me mixed feelings in that I liked the movie, but acknowledge the issues with bringing up why it's bad for Hope to be sidelined but still sidelining her.
Good point regarding his Civil War appearance. The movie seemed to handwave it due to a combination of being a Cap fanboy and absorbing from Hank a grudge against Tony. I'm okay with it, because it is a very comics thing to have characters randomly crossover into others' titles movies (most infamously Wolverine), and I don't know whether it makes it better or worse that the movie really obviously uses Scott and Peter to enforce Similar Squad. Again, it works for me "because comics", but I acknowledge the issues.
edited 7th Mar '18 12:52:33 PM by Hodor2
Scott was outside the law when he helped Hank blow up an office building.
Its not much of an impediment to him agreeing to something.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersScott went for it for the same reason Tony is still giving into his self-destructive tendencies: Nobody just changes completely from one day to another.
Also, Hank told him to not trust Stark under any circumstances.
Also Captain America. I mean it is not like Scott doesn't believe in breaking the law anymore, hell, what he did at Pym tec was a terrorist act. And when Cap tells you "this is something which needs to be done", wouldn't you do it?
Captain America must have sounded like the less shady offer over Hank 'help me blow up a building' Pym honestly
Forever liveblogging the AvengersScott's motivation in Civil War makes perfect sense. His motivation, specifically, being, "CAPTAIN AMERICA, you guys. CAPTAIN. AMERICA." That's literally all the demonstrated motive he has for helping Cap, but also all the motive he really needs.
He doesn't have a position on the political issue because he's never really involved with the political issue. The closest he ever comes to the Accords is getting imprisoned on the Raft. He was probably sitting in his cell going, "Wow, this is a super elaborate setup for trying to steal a jet. They must be really mad."
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub."I don't really understand whats going on but its probably Tony Stark's fault"
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHe's got a Hulkbuster.
That's pretty neat.
And a friend who is a robot. That's also pretty neat.
edited 7th Mar '18 1:47:38 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersTony's name is just as big as Cap's. He's the only MCU superhero that the public knows everything about. He's the rock star of the Avengers. He's not a spy, he's not a secret agent, he doesn't spend most of his time off-world or running black ops. He flies around in a flashy metal suit of armor blowing up bad guys and then chatting up pretty reporters.
He's a household name. Everybody knows Tony Stark and everyone has an opinion on him. Whether you love him or hate him, if you live in the MCU, you've got a few things to say about him. He's the Elvis Presley or George Lucas of international peacekeeping; it's impossible to not have heard of him.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I would think that the Accords, at least by the time of UN bombing, would have been publicized (maybe not the full text, but just its exsistence), and I baased my "Scott would proabaly agree with Cap that they're a good idea" argument on that.
It also fits with the contours of Scott's personal politics that he would trust Tony Stark less than Steve Rogers. "I have personal experience with multinational corporations screwing people, and me, over." Also, I thought he more-or-less agreed with Hank that the Avengers "dropping cities out of the sky" was a bad thing and should have been avoided, and given Ultron was a Stark project, it was probably a "of course, Stark" reaction from him.
I told you, Tony Stark is nothing but a trouble maker.
Look how he made Scott screw up everything and get arrested.

I did get the impression that Scott was a thief, went straight and then fell back into old habits just from watching the movie. And, actually, what I liked the most about it that unlike in the comics where, as far as I can tell, his ill daughter is used as an excuse for his actions, the movie goes all "you don't have your priorities straight, think before you act and don't use every little excuse to fall back into old habits". The audience is supposed to understand his actions, it is is supposed to condone them. Even the point of view of Maggie is given enough room that you get where she is coming from.