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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81501: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:21:57 PM

[up] I don’t know, scenes like Strange getting a taste of multiple dimensions, the chase in New York, the reverse third act battle, and “I Come To Bargin” were pretty memorable scenes that does the character justice in the film. The movie writting is low quality, but the film is in no ways boring and forgettable.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#81502: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:24:46 PM

The only scenes I remember liking are the multiple dimension shit and him coming to bargain. That's it. That's all. The chase in New York was memorable to people, really? I don't have any memory of it other than it being just boring ass effects like most of the movie.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81503: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:28:10 PM

I remember the chase in New York bit the best, I thought it was great.

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#81504: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:29:19 PM

I couldn't remember it if I tried, frankly.

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81505: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:34:01 PM

[up] The effects for that chase was pretty impressive for the shear holy shit factors of seeing New York distorting and shifting as well as the climax which reveals the fact that the Ancient One is drawing power from the Dark Dimension. It was a really good scene that capitalize on the mind trip moments the comics was known for.

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#81506: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:34:20 PM

I think Benedict Cumberbatch is the biggest miscast for a main character in the MCU. He's a fine actor otherwise, but he has zero charisma with that fake American accent.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81507: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:36:20 PM

I remember it looking nice and full of neat special effects but not being that interesting. Contrast the action scenes in Black Panther, which don't revolve around particularly spectacular feats but have gorgeous costuming plus stronger plot and cinematography to keep me engaged.

I felt nothing when the Ancient One died. Zuri's on the other hand shocked me quite a lot.

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#81509: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:41:33 PM

Cumberbatch was incredibly miscast. I'm fairly certain they only chose him because of his notoriety, not because he was a good fit for the role. All of the previous MCU actors proved to be good choices despite being relative unknowns or seemingly risky choices, but here they chose a very well known actor who is fancast in every goddamn property under the sun and who cannot do a good American accent to save his life.

As for the New York scene, Inception did it better and I've only ever seen trailers of Inception. It just looks like Inception-lite. And frankly I get more angry about the effects than anything because they feel hollow when coupled with the boring ass story.

[up]

So is Zuri's and yet it felt more meaningful than The Whitewashed One's.

edited 2nd Mar '18 6:42:02 PM by AdricDePsycho

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81510: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:48:23 PM

[up][up] Bucky's "death" still affected me even though I already knew because of reading the comics that they would bring him back as the Winter Soldier. They successfully made him charismatic and communicated how important he was to Cap.

On the other hand the Ancient One had a nice speech on the nature of time but she was such a sterile character because of the piss-poor writing that I had no emotional connection to her at all.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81511: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:51:44 PM

[up]x2 Nah, Zhuri is more like Gurney Halleck than Obi Wan.

[up] I honestly kind of wish she live longer since she seems to have a backstory that could of been touch upon regarding why she drew powers from the Dark Dimension and how she became Ancient One.

[down] I still can’t believe they didn’t went with the obvious and cast Hugh Laurie.

edited 2nd Mar '18 6:56:23 PM by BigK1337

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81512: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:52:42 PM

I wish they’d cast Pedro Pascal as Doctor Strange.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81513: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:55:30 PM

He'd be a little easier on the eyes but it would've made very little difference with the script being as bad as it is.

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#81514: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:58:16 PM

Laurie is too old to play Strange, but if he were to have been cast then you just know there would've been a shit load of Blackadder jokes before the movie came out.

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#81515: Mar 2nd 2018 at 6:59:16 PM

[up][up]The script does sound awful, I’m just saying Pedro Pascal has WAYYYYYY more charm than Butternut Cabbagepatch.

edited 2nd Mar '18 6:59:28 PM by wisewillow

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#81516: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:02:57 PM

Peanutbutter Jellybatch.

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#81517: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:03:50 PM

Yeah, BC has just been phoning it in in a lot of his roles recently.

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BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81518: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:03:51 PM

[up]x4 Considering Marvel Studio ability to make actors younger and that ol’ Mr. Laurie actually makes for the grumpier old Doctor Strange we need. Totally worth a hypothetical cast.

[up] Which is why I would of want Hugh Laurie as the guy. Sure its typecasting because of his role in House, but shit that would of made Strange a far more interesting character in the film and make his hero’s journey interesring. Though, again, I am thinking of the Lionsgate movie.

[down] Ditto. Someone did say he worked better as a cameo/supporting character rather than main. Though we have to see how Infinity War turns out when he is delegated to supporting cast.

edited 2nd Mar '18 7:23:28 PM by BigK1337

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#81519: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:12:51 PM

Honestly Thor Ragnarok sold me on Benedict Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange. I don't think he's great but I thought he was fun in it.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81520: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:18:08 PM

I don't mind Bumpercar Crumplezone as Strange, though I think I'd have preferred someone older. I dunno about Hugh Laurie, though, he doesn't have quite the look either...

If only we had a time machine to go grab Vincent Price.

edited 2nd Mar '18 7:18:28 PM by Anomalocaris20

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
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#81521: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:25:02 PM

I could ramble on about Doctor Strange and its ups and downs but I've been beat to the punch. I'll just say I think it's a pretty middling movie with some good moments and fun to be had if you can turn your brain off but it's far from my first choice for an MCU re-watch. And don't even get me started on the whole Ancient One fiasco.

Fortunately, it's all been uphill from here for Phase 3 as every movie that's followed has knocked it out of the park IMO.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81522: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:29:51 PM

Strange's cameo in Thor Ragnarok was pretty good but it didn't do anything to prove Cumberbatch as essential to the role. It was mostly the change in writers that made the difference.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#81523: Mar 2nd 2018 at 7:37:24 PM

Well yeah, I could easily see another actor doing it just as well if not better but it made me think "Yeah, I'm okay with him in the role".

edited 2nd Mar '18 7:37:35 PM by LordVatek

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#81524: Mar 2nd 2018 at 8:54:12 PM

I liked Doctor Strange. I can't see it as another Thor 2 or Iron Man 2, but that's opinions for you.

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#81525: Mar 2nd 2018 at 9:03:45 PM

Strange did not become interesting as a character until it’s revealed he has qualms about killing. By then, we’re already more than two/thirds through the movie of him as a Tony Stark clone.

edited 2nd Mar '18 9:04:44 PM by Tuckerscreator


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