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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#81426: Mar 1st 2018 at 4:22:56 PM

A lot of the critics I saw said they were fine with Killmonger being part of this trend again because in this case, it was thematically consistent with what the movie was going for (What T'Challa thinks Wakanda represents vs. what Killmonger does, complete with Killmonger's mask having a more aggressive face) and that Killmonger was simply given much better writing than someone like Yellowjacket, Whiplash or Kaecilius.

This is more or less my opinion. I don't really mind him falling into the trend mostly because Killmonger actually represents something that's very thematically powerful and socially relevant (the abandonment and mistreatment of black people), which is not something that most of the other MCU examples can boast.

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#81427: Mar 1st 2018 at 4:30:05 PM

It’s going to be weird having Infinity War debut in April. Ever since Spider-man 3 in 2007, the big summer starter of the year has always been a Marvel film. (For context, a summer starter is a movie that opens on the first week of May).

edited 1st Mar '18 4:30:39 PM by 123tbones

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81428: Mar 1st 2018 at 6:44:29 PM

There are 2 main guesses so far for why Marvel is moving up the release date: 1) to put more space between Infinity War and Deadpool 2 and Solo, or 2) because there's a major surprise in the movie (possibly related to the Fantastic Four, based on the use of the word "FANTASTIC" in the announcement tweet) and they want to move the US release up to match the European one to avoid spoiling it.

Which one do you think it is? I'm guessing it's mainly the first, and the decision was partly based on BP showing you don't need a summer opening weekend to make blockbuster-level money.

edited 1st Mar '18 6:44:46 PM by Galadriel

Notoyax17 When all you have is a blowtorch... Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
When all you have is a blowtorch...
#81429: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:10:38 PM

[up] As a third option, I think there's a good chance that they're trying to capitalize on BP's success. BP was pretty notable in that a lot of people that wouldn't normally bother to go see a Comic Book/Superhero film specifically went out to watch this. So, they may be trying to get this in theaters before the hype has a chance to die down.

But it's probably a mixture of 1 and 3 with a (honestly very) slight possibility of 2.

"Yo, those kids are straight up liars, man. All I told them to do was run product. And by product, I mean chewing gum."
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#81430: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:13:56 PM

That makes sense - going by some polls of viewers, BP is attracting a lot of people who weren't prior fans of the MCU.

Notoyax17 When all you have is a blowtorch... Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
When all you have is a blowtorch...
#81431: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:25:38 PM

[1]

This forbes articles basically says the same thing. One thing they mentioned, that hadn't occurred to me, was that they are releasing during a quiet time in the hopes of breaking the record for global opening weekend. If their movie is the only major one coming out, in addition to the other factors mentioned above, the chances of doing that go way up.

"Yo, those kids are straight up liars, man. All I told them to do was run product. And by product, I mean chewing gum."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81432: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:27:06 PM

So what's everybody's predictions for phase four of the MCU? Based on the franchise page it looks like it will consist of ten movies from 2019 through 2022. So far we know 2019 has Spider-Man 2 and 2020 is going to be when Guardians 3 releases. We also know Doctor Strange 2, Black Widow, and Spider-Man 3 are coming at some point. Personally I'm guessing it will be something like this.

  • 2019:
    • Spider-Man 2 (July)
  • 2020:
    • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (May)
    • Black Widow (July)
    • Doctor Strange 2 (November)
  • 2021:
    • Black Panther 2 (May)
    • Ant Man and the Wasp 2(?) (July)
    • Fantastic Four (November)
  • 2022:
    • Captain Marvel 2 (February)
    • Avengers 5 (May)
    • Spider-Man 3 (July)

Ant Man and the Wasp 2 is the only movie that I'm a bit unsure of. Depending on how the next one ends I could see them not going for a full trilogy with that series. I'm also unsure of where X-Men could fit although I'm still skeptical of it being set in the same universe as the MCU.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81433: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:29:52 PM

Has Doctor Strange 2 been confirmed? I have no problem with it being ditched.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81434: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:32:04 PM

The MCU page says it's going to be a thing but it has no date attached to it. I picked 2020 because I doubt they'd wait longer than four years for another one.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81435: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:32:42 PM

"Our focus is on the next six movies. Finishing the first three phases, getting Untitled Avengers out into the world [in 2019] before publicly focusing on anything else.”

“What I will say is that the goal would not be to underutilise that, or to create something that was less innovative than the first Doctor Strange.

“The comics, especially the Lee/Ditko comics, were always pushing into unexpectedly weird places and storylines.

“That has continued on into the current Doctor Strange comics, which are really great. So anything's possible with Doctor Strange, I wouldn't rule anything out.”

[1]

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81436: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:33:50 PM

Please, please, please let it be the first movie to not get a sequel. I would be so, so OK with that. Give me a movie with Valkyrie and the other female heroes.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81437: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:36:35 PM

Was it really that terrible? I thought Thor the Dark World was worse and look what happened with Ragnarok.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#81438: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:37:47 PM

I'd be fine if they gave us a different director, a different writer, made the plot actually fucking wild and crazy, amped the visuals up to outright acidic levels, and put in a goddamn Pink Floyd soundtrack (and I will keep harping on this one, you know it would be awesome and actually fit with the character and the setting). Make this shit psychedelic for once. The first movie is only psychedelic for like five minutes and it's child's play compared to what they could've done.

[up]

Personally I feel Doctor Strange is the single worst MCU movie out there. The only redeemable parts are that the crap romance actually ended because it would never work, the effects in that one scene (you know the one) were genuinely trippy, and the ending was clever. That's it.

edited 1st Mar '18 7:39:03 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81439: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:37:49 PM

I want a Doctor Strange sequel, so...

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81440: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:38:43 PM

Thor the Dark World was a mixture of dumb and delightful. And it had Hemsworth and Hiddleston knocking it out of the park the entire time.

Doctor Strange, on the other hand, has Cumberbatch and crappy issues with race. Ugh.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#81441: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:39:18 PM

There was also the Ancient One whitewashing, which wasn't great.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81442: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:40:41 PM

The Ancient One is dead? She won't even be a part of a hypothetical sequel.

Notoyax17 When all you have is a blowtorch... Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
When all you have is a blowtorch...
#81443: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:41:07 PM

Personally, I was...kinda ambivalent about Dr Strange? Like, I could live without a sequel to it because, outside of the special effects, it was just okay (though I will always love Mads and pretty much saw it because of him).

As said above, the second part of Infinity War will probably be the next MCU movie released. Considering how big an event it is, I can't imagine them trying to do current stories with other characters before This Big World Ending Event is resolved.

The only exception that I can think of is Captain Marvel, as something that took place a long time ago to gear up for her inclusion in Infinity War part 2.

edited 1st Mar '18 7:41:28 PM by Notoyax17

"Yo, those kids are straight up liars, man. All I told them to do was run product. And by product, I mean chewing gum."
Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81444: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:41:24 PM

[up][up]Dead is a relative term at the best of times.

edited 1st Mar '18 7:41:35 PM by Eagal

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#81445: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:42:14 PM

[up][up]We already know Avengers 4 is coming next year as the finale to phase 3. I'm thinking about what would come after during phase 4. So far we have a few movies confirmed but only one has a definitive release date.

[up]So far the MCU has avoided bringing back characters needlessly. The only major return is Bucky and that was a case of Never Found the Body mixed with Doomed by Canon.

edited 1st Mar '18 7:43:16 PM by Kostya

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#81446: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:42:18 PM

I want Doctor Strange 2, so there.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81447: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:42:39 PM

If there was another character that can help expand the magic side of the MCU, I would be okay with not having a sequel.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81448: Mar 1st 2018 at 7:46:57 PM

Doctor Strange has always been one of my favorite comic book heroes and Dormammu my favorite villain, so I'd be pretty disappointed if we didn't get a sequel. And I definitely hope Dormammu eventually returns, as clever as his "defeat" was.

I always just liked the idea of this old mystic sorceror dude palling around with all the science-based heroes like Iron Man, the X-Men, Spider-Man, ect.

edited 1st Mar '18 7:47:49 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#81449: Mar 1st 2018 at 8:04:38 PM

I think 2021 should be the year for new superheroes apart from Spider-Man. It may lead to the Young Avengers Arc.

The only good fanboy, is a redeemed fanboy.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#81450: Mar 1st 2018 at 8:10:45 PM

[up][up]Doctor Strange is definitely getting a sequel. His movie wasn't as successful as Black Panther's, but it did much better than Ant-Man, who already has his own sequel coming out this year, so a Doctor Strange 2 is almost guaranteed. I wouldn't be surprised if he is part of whatever new incarnation of Avengers we get after Avengers 4, either.

I think now that the origin story is out of the way, a sequel could fix a lot of the frequent complaints people have about the original (namely the origin story rehash we've seen a billion times and the villain being another evil version of the hero).

edited 1st Mar '18 8:11:25 PM by comicwriter


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