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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#81301: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:23:29 PM

I think it would work better for Magneto to be the son of two Holocaust survivors if you don't want to work in that mutants have slower aging.

You can even work in that Magneto's parents were later killed by Hydra/Nazi agents under the employ of the US government.

Also, I agree that Magneto shouldn't be a villain that's become similar to the Nazis that he hates.

He should be an anti-hero that disagrees with Professor X's way of doing things but he doesn't want mutants ruling over the world.

He wants to mutants to separate themselves from the humans and create their own society which leads to Magneto creating a mutant homeland called Genosha and ruling over it.

We can even have pretty good dynamic between King T'Challa and Magneto(they'd be neighboring countries) with Magneto being more like King T'Challa's predecessors in that he wants to hide their society from the world to keep his people safe.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81302: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:25:24 PM

I also think Magneto would be a way to fix the problem of how Marvel... ignored the Nazis in WWII?

Magneto: “While you fought Hydra, Hitler killed millions of my people”

Steve: ...

edited 27th Feb '18 5:25:37 PM by wisewillow

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#81303: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:30:29 PM

Assuming Steve’s still around by that point, of course.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#81304: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:38:15 PM

DON'T JINX IT.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#81305: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:40:00 PM

[up]x2 I thought Chris Evans renewed his contract to last after Infinity War?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#81306: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:42:26 PM

I was thinking Captain America will survive Thanos,then be killed by Red Skull from out of nowhere

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#81307: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:49:33 PM

Personally, I think Magneto deserves his own trilogy.

Movie 1: Origin movie + friendship with Professor X. The beginnings of his philosophy.

He goes from a kid to young adult.

Movie 2: Rise of his Brotherhood and his conflicts with Professor X, Shield, Hydra and the US.

Young man to a married man in his 30's.

Movie 3: The creation of Genosha.

Family man in his late 30's decides that separation rather than usurping control over the world is the best option. He takes control of a hidden chain of islands and creates his own mutant society.

Or you can just make Magneto's entrance to the MCU with him in control of Genosha and you can tie him in with Scarlet Witch because he needs an heir and she's his only daughter now that Pietro is dead.

(Wanda thought her parents were killed but those weren't her actual parents. They were her guardians until Magneto returned).

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81308: Feb 27th 2018 at 5:52:00 PM

There's a case to be made that the First Class trilogy is already a Magneto character arc. As much as Magneto is tricky to deal with because - as a central character and Xavier's primary foil - you kind of have to have him, if they're doing a developed multi movie series for someone I'd like to see someone else or other focuses.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81309: Feb 27th 2018 at 7:50:10 PM

Wow gone for a while and already the comments pile up.

First off, sorry I didn’t put up spoilers for last night regarding Klaw’s death, good thing its covered.

Second, @Adric Blasphamy. Whitesnake is awesome! Especially with the song “Still of the Night”. It has the best guitar riff and a really atmospheric climax in its middle that is very soothing to listen to in controdiction to its agressive beginning and end. Definitely one of their best hits.

Third, and more to the point, [up] yeah agree; by all accounts the Prequel Trilogy of the X-Films are technically focused on Magneto’s development into the villain he is as well as the origin of how Professor Xavier form the X-Men.

In fact I would be happy if Marvel decide to introduce the X-Men to the MCU they take an Incredible Hulk approach with the film by making the movie be a soft reboot/spiritual sequel to the last X-Men movie. That way we can get a new X-Men film continuity without having to worry about the need of covering a full on origin story.

EDIT: Speaking of Magneto and his origins. I do think its possible to give him a new origin involving a different kind of real life human oppression so that he won’t be a wrinkly old man in film or be cgi’d throughout the film. Unless they are going with his full powersets in the movie which also involves him having a retarded aging process; then totally go for WWII origin and canon wield his encounter with Cap.

edited 27th Feb '18 8:02:38 PM by BigK1337

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#81310: Feb 27th 2018 at 8:14:12 PM

You know, when you think about it, T'Challa had a motherfucker of a week.

My various fanfics.
J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#81311: Feb 27th 2018 at 8:24:17 PM

So do you think we'll ever get a Nick Fury solo film? Either a prequel or film set in the present. The Prequel sounds more interesting, especially if you use the Howling Commandos. Obviously you cant set it in WWII,. but the War on Terror or even Desert Storm could work as a setting.

edited 27th Feb '18 8:25:38 PM by J79

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#81312: Feb 27th 2018 at 8:28:20 PM

I was going to say that Jackson is too old to do any action films, but it seems like he's doing one right now...

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#81313: Feb 27th 2018 at 8:42:36 PM

[up]x3 Yeah, pretty much. To think this was only his first week as king. Hate to imagine what the rest of his years are like probably him and Everest fucking with the devil himself on the eigth week.

[up]x2 I don’t think a prequel will happen due to three reasons:

1) Nick Fury is better used as a supporting character than main. This is kind of why his solo comics (Howling Commandos and Agent of SHIELD) aren’t in high demand like the other characters.

2) It would be a challenge to make a prequel interesting, as the audience already knows the ending so they won’t have a lot of investment in what happens so the movie has this challenge to make the hows very interesting.

3) The stigma of that tv movie starring David Hasselhoff. Sure Marvel manage to do good shit with the characters who suffer from unfortunate movie past (Captain America, Daredevil, Howard the Duck,Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, The Punisher, Fantastic Four . . . sooooooon), but I don’t think the production team are interested in doing a Nick Fury movie.

I mean age isn’t a problem with Samurai Jack since he’s the same age for over 50 years; I guess the problem is if people do want a prequel movie that focus on his character as to me I enjoy the character a lot as this badass leader with a dark and mysterious past that made him director of the free world, and a prequel will take away that mystique of his.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#81314: Feb 27th 2018 at 9:30:44 PM

Not only that, doesn't it take place, like, the same week as T'Chaka's death?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81316: Feb 28th 2018 at 1:37:29 AM

I don't think that there has been any confirmation of any of the current actors renewing their contracts....they all seem to be open to more, especially Chris Evans has been pretty vocal about having changed his mind and now being ready to be around as long as Marvel wants him (yes please!), but I haven't seen any specific news and I don't think that we will hear any until after Avengers 4.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#81317: Feb 28th 2018 at 2:25:08 AM

If they make Magneto a survivor of a more recent genocide, to avoid the Unfortunate Implications they can make Xavier a survivor of the same genocide.

Or maybe race-lift Magneto to make him part of a minority that suffers a shitload of racism. Either African-American or (given recent events) Mexican-American would do the trick.

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#81318: Feb 28th 2018 at 5:38:27 AM

Speaking as a Jewish person, I'd prefer Magneto to be kept as a Holocaust survivor.

Right now Magneto would feel like Killmonger 2.0, too. Their motivations are quite easy to compare to each other

And being similar to the best MCU antagonist is bad... how?

I also think Magneto would be a way to fix the problem of how Marvel... ignored the Nazis in WWII?

Magneto: “While you fought Hydra, Hitler killed millions of my people”

Steve: ...

Yes, please. I want this to happen.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#81319: Feb 28th 2018 at 6:28:54 AM

I really think an MCU reboot of the X-Men should just leave out Magneto for a good long while, the same way Spider-Man: Homecoming chose to reuse as few characters as possible from the previous Spider-Man movies. Same goes for Wolverine.

As for the whole Holocaust survivor thing . . . they could always just ignore it. Not contradict it or specifically say it didn't happen, just focus more on what he's been up to the last few decades without doing any sort of deep dive into his past.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#81320: Feb 28th 2018 at 6:31:13 AM

"Wait, you survived the Holocaust? How are you still alive and so buff?"

"Magnets"

Bam, done. Just like several other people suggested

Also if they do use Magneto instead of antagonist he should be Xavier's partner

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#81321: Feb 28th 2018 at 7:14:27 AM

@Bocaj I'd legit laugh if Magneto turns out to be a fan of magnet therapy.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#81322: Feb 28th 2018 at 9:15:14 AM

How does that work, though?

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#81323: Feb 28th 2018 at 9:34:11 AM

I doubt that many people in the audience would question Magneto's WWII backstory (especially since him being a Holocause survivor is one of the most well-known aspects of his character, and we already have Cap and Bucky as well). Just come up with some sci-fi-esque explanation for it, and as long as he's an interesting character, people will probably just roll with it.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#81324: Feb 28th 2018 at 10:36:45 AM

And being similar to the best MCU antagonist is bad... how?

It's bad if you use them both in short succession. Because it looks like you have no ideas and are ripping yourself off.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#81325: Feb 28th 2018 at 10:40:10 AM

Again Magneto being the "misguided but understandable extremist" is one of the most well-known aspects of his character, and it has been for decades even outside of the comics. So I doubt that many people would go "Killmonger ripoff" if he were portrayed that way in the MCU to.


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