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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#81201: Feb 26th 2018 at 7:47:11 PM

I still wish that somehow we can get cosmic entities to battle Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, but they don't have enough setup and the special effects budget would be through the roof.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#81202: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:28:12 PM

I... actually wouldn't be opposed to Chadwick Boseman's Kang the Conqueror. It would even kinda darkly tie in to a line from the movie.

"The world changed. I knew what I was going to be."

My various fanfics.
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81203: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:29:53 PM

NO. No evil T’Challa, nope nope nope nope nope.

...I’m attached to T’Challa, ok? He’s a good man.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#81204: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:30:52 PM

Only half joking now, I could actually see Shuri being the Kang of a Bad Future.

edited 26th Feb '18 8:31:07 PM by KnownUnknown

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81205: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:33:03 PM

I'm hoping T'Challa eventually succumbs to the pressures of kingly duties & adopts a cold, stoic manipulative mask his comic self has to compensate.

At least for 1 movie at least.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81206: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:33:35 PM

Just gonna say, while I also like Tony well enough I like T'Challa more, think he's in a great position to take over as MCU frontman, and will probably enjoy his shilling a lot more than Tony's as long as they keep him consistent.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#81207: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:34:01 PM

[up][up][up] "It's hard for a Good Man to be a King."

But in all seriousness, it should be fine as long as it's presented very clearly that our T'Challa won't become Kang.

edited 26th Feb '18 8:34:11 PM by SonOfSharknado

My various fanfics.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#81208: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:35:17 PM

I do think T'Challa actually has a lot of potential as a headliner going down the line. I've seen some people complaining that BP's supporting cast outshines him despite Boseman's warm and charismatic performance (a statement I can agree with, at least partially), but I think depending on how they develop him and how the following movies test him as king he could be really interesting in his own right.

It's not gonna be easy for him and I expect Coogler to give him some really difficult choices to make going forward.

edited 26th Feb '18 8:37:53 PM by Draghinazzo

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#81209: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:37:03 PM

It's not really T'Challa's fault his supporting cast is so damn good.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81210: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:39:41 PM

T'Challa's great but he has a lot of growing to do.

I want the guy who punches out Mephisto & then immediately carves out his heart, the guy who could manage his kingdom despite a ton of people complaining at him all at once (this includes a BP'd Killmonger), the guy who along with a team of super-powered geniuses cured Galactus' hunger in a heartbeat, the guy who took command of a violent tiger deity to escape an impenetrable barrier around Earth to aid in his allies fight against a sentient universe, the guy who once faced down an omnipotent Doctor Doom with the motherfucking Infinity Gauntlet at the end of the universe.

That is the T'Challa I wanna see one day.

edited 26th Feb '18 8:40:15 PM by slimcoder

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81211: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:40:03 PM

[up][up]I mean, it’s kinda glorious? In Civil War T’Challa is the coolest mofo. Just amazing, badass.

But back home in Wakanda? Ohhhhh his mom and sis and gf and bodyguard cut him down to size.

edited 26th Feb '18 8:40:45 PM by wisewillow

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#81212: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:41:14 PM

T'Challa really is the goddamn best and I'm glad people in theaters are now getting to experience what we comic readers have known about for years.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#81213: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:42:46 PM

"So, I want to ask you, as both warrior and king, how long do you think you can keep your friend safe from me?"

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81214: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:45:22 PM

I never yielded! And as you can see, I am not dead!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81215: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:46:02 PM

This actually is consistent with the Priest run.

T'Challa is for the most part understated due to his stoicism & a lot of the story is seen through Ross' eyes as T'Challa is constantly outmaneuvering every menace he encounters.

Though of course as the run continues we start getting more into his head & personalness.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#81216: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:49:52 PM

If we theoretically got evil alternate universe T'challa who became Kang (not that I particularly want that, but humoring the thread for a bit), would the major divergence point be one who killed Baron Zemo instead of being "done letting [revenge] consume [him]"?

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81217: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:51:09 PM

I hate this concept but also that’s a brilliant timeline divergence.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#81218: Feb 26th 2018 at 8:58:52 PM

Another one: Erik came to live with T'Challa in Wakanda and T'Challa agreed with his ideas.

My various fanfics.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81219: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:00:21 PM

Ya know this could be a good way to incorporate the White Tiger.

T'Challa goes evil so he abandons the Black Panther identity & powers for something that would be an outright mystical superpower so he steals the or allies with White Tiger spirit for greater power.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#81220: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:00:35 PM

[up][up]Also brilliant. Although the Kang T’Challa concept has very unfortunate implications.

edited 26th Feb '18 9:00:51 PM by wisewillow

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#81221: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:05:32 PM

"It's hard for a Good Man to be a King."

I kinda dislike this line because I thought it was going to show that being a good ruler demands that you abandon your self-virtue but then.....it didn't go that route. T'Challa screams T'Chaka was wrong after he discovers that even his father's hands aren't clean and that's that.

T'Challa is as a spotless going in the movie as he came out of the movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#81222: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:08:10 PM

Or one which was just a little bit faster and managed to kill Bucky before Steve got to him.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#81223: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:10:49 PM

I interpreted that line as being more about how as king, difficult and painful decisions weigh much heavier if you're someone that's very warm and compassionate like T'Challa is. That line might still pay off in the future since T'Challa has only just barely begun his rule.

edited 26th Feb '18 9:12:33 PM by Draghinazzo

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#81224: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:18:15 PM

Hopefully T'Challa will face greater trials in the future.

Trails that will test his mettle & very core.

Failure will be his own destruction.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#81225: Feb 26th 2018 at 9:20:39 PM

I wonder if one of the movies will give him his King of the Dead powers that Hickman introduced for a time.

I'm kind of a bit saddened that T'Challa never had a meeting with the Panther God during the film. I wonder if that will happen in Infinity War.


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