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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80851: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:46:21 PM

There's also sadly underused secret warrior Joey and worse than petty Agent Sitwell

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#80852: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:51:30 PM

And (starring) Rosario Dawson as Claire Temple. The TV situation is a fair bit better.

edited 21st Feb '18 4:51:43 PM by Unsung

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#80853: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:57:49 PM

Sitwell was pretty good in that he had a role across multiple films and his character pre or post-reveal was never stereotypical, but it’s annoying that there’s no other Latinx figures in authority in the films to match his niche.

Luis is closer to a stereotype, but his actor’s improv put a lot more life into the character than the script intended.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80854: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:59:11 PM

He's one of my favorite bits of the movie actually

Did we see him in the new trailers because I'd be sad if he were gone

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80855: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:01:57 PM

You know what?

Make Sue and Johnny Storm Latinx. They made him black in Fanfourstick, you can race lift them to something else.

You see race lifting all the time but it’s always to make a redhead black. (Ex - Iris West and Starfire). How about doing it in another direction?

edited 21st Feb '18 5:08:18 PM by Beatman1

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#80856: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:07:37 PM

Are we not counting Robbie Reyes?

Edit: My mistake, but it could work. Why not facelift Reed while we're at it.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:10:52 PM by Cross

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#80857: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:08:40 PM

Talking about Latino characters and nobody mentioned Robbie Reyes yet. For shame.

Edit: [nja]'d, shit.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:08:52 PM by AdricDePsycho

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80858: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:08:50 PM

Good point

The best live action Ghost Rider

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80859: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:17:56 PM

Robbie needs his own series. Or at least an appearance in a Netflix one.

And sure, lift Reed too. It’ll make Ben stand out more and making most of Marvel’s other premiere superteam Latinx would do wonders for the rep issue.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#80860: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:18:20 PM

Well, I guess this shows that if you want MCU representation for non-black minorities, Agents of Shield is currently where it's at. People are right that there's really nothing in the movies or Netflix shows.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:19:29 PM by Galadriel

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#80861: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:20:36 PM

I'd be amused if they introduced White Tiger, if only because of the naming similarity.

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#80862: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:30:46 PM

For the finale, Black Panther and White Tiger perform the Fusion Dance to become Grey Leoger.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#80863: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:32:05 PM

The TV side of things is the main reason I said latino representation was in a better state overall. That same TV side has repeatedly treated asian people as inhuman and ridiculously stereotypical.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#80864: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:34:09 PM

Netflix has, AOS definitively hasn't. (Except if you mean that their most prominent Asian character is an Inhuman superhero.)

edited 21st Feb '18 5:34:27 PM by Galadriel

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#80865: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:35:46 PM

And sure, lift Reed too. It’ll make Ben stand out more and making most of Marvel’s other premiere superteam Latinx would do wonders for the rep issue.

I wasn't thinking Latino for Reeds actually.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80866: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:36:07 PM

[up][up]The problem is most of that is Agents of SHIELD, and to be frank, a lot of people don’t watch it. I know giving the Fantastic Four a Race Lift seems like a radical idea, but is it? Given all the other changes to ethnicities, is it?

[up]What were you thinking? I don’t like the idea of taking away Ben though, since a Brooklyn Jewish character isn’t super common.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:37:32 PM by Beatman1

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#80867: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:38:35 PM

Actually, go the extra mile and make Ben Latino too. There's plenty of Jewish Latinos out there. And hell, family is kind of a big deal in Latin American culture, and the Fantastic Four have the whole theme of being a family. You could actually make a decent thing with this.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#80868: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:39:18 PM

There are Black Jewish people.

But I don't think you want to racelift the one guy who permanently is trapped as a horrible orange rockman and complains about being a monster.

My various fanfics.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#80869: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:42:36 PM

I'm fine with the idea of race lifting at least some of the Fantastic Four, but given that the last attempt at an FF film did so and was widely considered terrible, you'd likely get a lot of pushback and pre-release bad press from trying it.

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#80870: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:42:48 PM

Netflix has, AOS definitively hasn't. (Except if you mean that their most prominent Asian character is an Inhuman superhero.)

Sorry, I don't watch Ao S but I should have been more specific.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80871: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:42:48 PM

[up]x3 That was another concern, yes.

[up][up]Yeah, but that was an awful soulless ashcan film. This would be the MCU proper. That has to help.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:43:53 PM by Beatman1

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#80872: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:44:19 PM

[up][up][up]

It wasn't terrible because of the racelifting though, it was terrible because it was just wrong on numerous levels of writing and the production was a hellhole of inanity.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#80873: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:48:08 PM

Late reply, but they did make Sue Latino for a couple of movies.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#80874: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:49:31 PM

[up][up]I know, but entertainment news isn't overly nuanced, so what they'll take is "terrible racelifted FF movie being followed up by another racelifted FF movie: Marvel fails to learn from Fox's mistakes".

People who make movies I like just keep disappointing me. First Trank following up Chronicle with F4, then Rian Johnson following up Looper with The Last Jedi.

Lesson: there are some directors who just don't mesh well with franchise films. And, in the case of Trank, being given a blockbuster can go to people's heads.

edited 21st Feb '18 5:52:25 PM by Galadriel

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#80875: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:55:12 PM

I highly doubt they would pick up on that as a "mistake". Also, I'd hardly compare The Last Jedi to Fant4stic at all.

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