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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80826: Feb 21st 2018 at 5:55:07 AM

[up][up][up][up] Though it is certainly worth to watch T'challa being introduced in Civil War, too, if that's what interests him.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#80827: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:18:58 AM

After watching Black Panther, I have two questions for Infinity War:

1:Where is the Soul Stone? My guess is that finding it will comprise the bulk of the initial action. Or, Thanos starts out having it and the Avengers are trying to prevent him from getting the rest of it.

2: Where was Steve during Killmonger's coup and the subsequent civil war? Don't get me wrong, it was definitely better for the movie to not include him, but my understanding of Civil War's post credits scene is that both Steve and Bucky were hiding out in Wakanda.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80828: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:38:19 AM

[up]On #2, a lot of people were asking that but unfortunately the answer was in a prequel comic Marvel published for Infinity War.

Basically: Steve dropped Bucky off in Wakanda but didn't stay. He, Falcon and Black Widow are now traveling the world together as a secret vigilante group, stopping terrorists and supervillains under the radar.

edited 21st Feb '18 8:06:44 AM by comicwriter

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#80829: Feb 21st 2018 at 7:57:11 AM

[up] Wonder if that'll get referenced in the movie; seems like too big a thing to ignore, but also most people will be like "Damn, wish we could have gotten more of that on-screen" like the second Avengers team (the one that formed at the end of Age of Ultron so I don't know if they'll do it.

On a related note, who are the "legal" Avengers now? Tony seems like he's back in active duty, and Vision is the only other candidate considering that Rhodey is probably still in therapy for his paralysis and Peter refused his offer at the end of Homecoming.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80830: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:04:30 AM

If you think about it it doesn't make any sense for Steve to squat in Wakanda when his point of contention with the accords was he couldn't go around fighting where he wanted

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80831: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:07:15 AM

[up][up]I suspect that is what they'll be doing when we first see them in Infinity War.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80832: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:10:31 AM

Is there even currently something to fight against? Hydra is gone, Thanos isn't there yet, what is left?

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#80833: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:20:09 AM

[up] Well, on the movie level, there are probably still some remnants of Hydra et. al. around but like was mentioned earlier the threats are still there, they're just less organized/centralized than they were before.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80834: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:23:12 AM

[up] Sure, but there is currently nothing which would require more than one or two heroes. Well, aside from the impending destruction of the earth, but that is for Ao S to handle.

edited 21st Feb '18 8:23:46 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80835: Feb 21st 2018 at 8:58:08 AM

Is there even currently something to fight against?

Sure. There are still criminals. It's not like the heroes exclusively fight aliens and gods.

There are also natural disasters and other catastrophes to deal with.

edited 21st Feb '18 8:58:40 AM by comicwriter

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80836: Feb 21st 2018 at 9:21:17 AM

Warlords, terrorists, arms dealers/gun runners, human traffickers, drug cartels, etc.

There's plenty to keep Cap and co busy until Thanos shows up.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#80837: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:35:17 AM

I'd love it if they introduced the Maggia one of these days. They'd make a good collective adversary for Ant-Man's general tone.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80838: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:37:40 AM

Tony's Mighty Avengers is pretty much him and Vision, with Rhodey contributing, but only so far as his rehabilitation allows him to. I guess?

Cap's Secret Avengers seem even worse off, being, what, Him, Black Widow and Sam? The implication at the end of Civil war is that both groups will work independently, but like, these groups are so small! You can't have an avengers team of three people. It should be 4, minimum.

Where's Hawkeye and Scarlet Witch in all this?

I'd like to see more of what the avenger teams get up to between films. The post Ao U roster operated for a year but we've never seen the entire team out on an op. And I would absolutely like to hear of heroes tackle natural disasters more. Not the most interesting plot wise, but Vision could single handedly evacuate anyone trapped in any scenario if someone told him where to go.

edited 21st Feb '18 10:39:19 AM by Whowho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80839: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:38:58 AM

Hawkeye retired again

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80840: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:40:16 AM

Heh, see how long that sticks Rocky Balboa.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80841: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:41:29 AM

Movie Hawkeye retiring is like comic Hawkeye ragequitting

It just gets better with repetition

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80842: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:43:15 AM

Rocky's retirement only stuck once he started training a successor. Just saying if Clint wants some peace and quiet (he doesn't) He should look out for a particular teen.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80843: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:52:30 AM

Also Wanda and Vision are hanging out/living together now as well.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80844: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:55:20 AM

Did not know this, how does that work? Is she under house arrest? I thought it was pretty much given that she was going to get deported.

Maybe she has been deported and Vision just spends his weekend in Sokovia. (I'd actually like this, gives a good excuse for their relationship to develop)

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#80845: Feb 21st 2018 at 10:57:28 AM

Warlords, terrorists, arms dealers/gun runners, human traffickers, drug cartels, etc. There's plenty to keep Cap and co busy until Thanos shows up.

And the Chitauri tech. Don't forget that.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#80846: Feb 21st 2018 at 11:05:19 AM

By the way, if anyone wants to know Silverclaw's backstory but my summary was way too long, here's the TL:DR version:

  • Lupe is a demigoddess child of a mythologist and a pagan volcano goddess, Peliali. Her dad dies and she is raised in a church orphanage, with Jarvis sponsoring her.

  • Lupe grows up and goes to the USA to attend ESU. She meets Jarvis and the Avengers. She becomes an Avengers ally.

  • Her village is attacked by an evil wizard who wants to kill Lupe's goddess mother for power. Lupe defeats him by convincing her village to believe in Peliali which gives her enough power to break free but not before getting fatally stabbed. Lupe and her mother reconcile as Peliali dies and Lupe becomes an Avenger.

Her story honestly reminds me of a mix of Moana and Wonder Woman.

edited 21st Feb '18 11:08:35 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80847: Feb 21st 2018 at 11:38:05 AM

[up] The religious angle might deter Marvel, though. But it still has my vote.

Sadly Marvel is about to get most of their toys back. But if they want to try another Got G like risk again, I hope they consider her.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#80848: Feb 21st 2018 at 12:29:17 PM

The religious angle would be part of the main appeal. Her people were forced to abandon their gods and adopt Christianity by Spanish conquistadors. The gods felt abandoned and left, except for Peliali. Lupe's mother is Peliali but she was raised in a Christian church orphanage. The climax of her story involves realizing that she is the daughter of a goddess and getting her people to believe in Peliali again to save her. It's a really interesting look at how Christianity interacts with Pagan religions in a world where those Pagan gods are real.

I'm actually not sure whether or not Peliali dying is better for the story or not. Maybe not. Maybe it would work better for her to survive and act as a flawed mentor figure for Lupe.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#80849: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:38:33 PM

Latino representation isn't quite at the horrible state asian representation in the MCU is, but it could stand to be a lot better.

I think it's even worse actually. In the entire MCU, there's one Latinx character and his premise is that he's a petty criminal.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#80850: Feb 21st 2018 at 4:42:05 PM

Two. There's also Yo-Yo from Agents of Shield. She's rad.


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