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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#80776: Feb 20th 2018 at 1:37:59 PM

Ryan Coogler talks about an alternate ending to Black Panther[1], spoilers for anyone that hasn't seen it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#80777: Feb 20th 2018 at 1:50:29 PM

Not really an alternate ending, just switching which scene is the ending and which scene is the first post-credits stinger.

They definitely made the right call there, though. While the UN scene is very reminiscent of Iron Man's press conference at the end of the first MCU film, the symmetry with the basketball court outside the condemned apartment brings a really cool symmetry to the film. But instead of a young kid looking up and seeing a murder that would turn him into a grudge-bearing supervillain, it's a young kid looking up and seeing a superhero.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80778: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:00:41 PM

I’d still be down for a Latino superhero, or a Latino anyone but a thief (even if the character is cool enough) that’s actually Latino and not an alien.

I just remembered really annoying myself the last time I looked for any examples so I’ll stop there.

And given the order, I prefer what the film did.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#80779: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:02:46 PM

Latino representation isn't quite at the horrible state asian representation in the MCU is, but it could stand to be a lot better.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80780: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:07:40 PM

Without ever having read a comic, I vote for Silver Claw. And here are my reasons:

1. It's a power we haven't seen yet in the MCU.

2. Shapeshifting? That is just cool. And with the current technology, they could do something amazing with it.

3. It's someone who actually grew up in South America and not someone who grew up in the US who just happens to have South American roots. We need more international heroes in the MCU.

4. More females are also always welcome.

5. They could do the paternal relationship Jarvis has with her with Vision instead. This could create an interesting dynamic.

Re: Captain Marvel and Black Widow: No matter what, they aren't Wonder Woman. They never had any hope to create quite the same initial hype. But I think their movies will still be very welcome.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80781: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:13:23 PM

I always liked Silver Claw

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80782: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:14:51 PM

[up] Yeah, and the name is kind of badass. I can imagine it being the title of a movie.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80783: Feb 20th 2018 at 2:34:14 PM

Not a character I'm familiar with!

America Charves, Sam Alexander, Miles Morales, White Tiger are the obvious ones. Of course the real appeal of Black Panther was that almost the entire supporting cast also got to be black.

Asian super heroes, it gets even more difficult.

Silk, Amadeus Cho, Shang-Chi, Khamala Khan, Fazia Hussain (Excalibur/Captain Britain that one time)

A Ms Marvel film is just a matter of time (I predict she'll turn up as soon as Peter graduates and pinch his genre from him) and I could totally see America Charves getting a film and Fazia Hussain being a supporting character as captain Britain. Which is something I've never considered until now.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80784: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:05:44 PM

[up]Not America Chavez. Anyone, ANYONE but America Chavez. It’s hard to remember a comic character I have disliked more, besides maybe Judas Traveller.

But yeah, while there’s plenty of black superheroes, Latinos have almost no one and Asians have it even worse.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:07:10 PM by Beatman1

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#80785: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:11:21 PM

[up]As someone that doesn't know about characters beyond the MCU, is this America Chavez a bigot or something?

edited 20th Feb '18 5:11:46 PM by Ikedatakeshi

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#80786: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:13:02 PM

[up][up]

Oh for the love of god, we've been over this: yes to America Chavez. Just because you personally do not want her does not mean that nobody else has the right to have her in a movie or that she can't be done better justice in a movie.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#80787: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:13:42 PM

Ryan Coogler made a thank you letter for fans[1]

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80788: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:14:09 PM

[up][up]It’s why I wanted to avoid the subject altogether.

[up]That was nice of him.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:14:35 PM by Beatman1

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#80789: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:14:22 PM

As someone that doesn't know about characters beyond the MCU, is this America Chavez a bigot or something?

No, but we had an argument before about the quality of her first volume.

I’ll concede the quality part (you can read my review on her series’s trope page), but the character is not at all unredeemable.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:15:37 PM by Tuckerscreator

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#80790: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:15:35 PM

[up][up]

That's a bad way of avoiding the subject then.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80791: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:39:47 PM

She once punched a black hole to death and said that the laws of physics could kiss her ass

She's pretty rad

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80792: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:40:52 PM

America is obnoxious, it's true. But I kind of admire her for it?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#80793: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:44:20 PM

A Google search tells me that apparently Amadeus Cho was in the Incredible Hulk as a one-off white guy. Who made that decision and how many angry bees do I need to send them?

edited 20th Feb '18 5:44:48 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#80794: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:46:01 PM

> America is obnoxious, it's true. But I kind of admire her for it?

Do you mean the country or the person

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#80795: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:48:25 PM

That was only Cho if you go by the novelization. Novelizations often add extra details.

In the film, he's just credited as "Computer Nerd". He's the guy in the computer lab at Culver University that Banner bribes with pizza in exchange for time on the computers. The novelization apparently felt it would be a great shout-out to declare him to be Amadeus Cho.

So to answer your question, author J.E. Bright is who you would send your bees to.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:49:25 PM by TobiasDrake

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#80796: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:51:42 PM

Send them wasps instead

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80797: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:52:10 PM

[up][up] Whut? If that is true it has to have been an unnamed background character.

Anyway, send your bees to Universal.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:52:20 PM by Swanpride

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#80798: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:53:06 PM

[up][up][up]Right, I'm on it.

[up][up]I would, but my wasp guy is on vacation.

edited 20th Feb '18 5:53:50 PM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#80799: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:54:30 PM

Breaking news :bees attack postal service worker after opening large suspicious package

edited 20th Feb '18 5:54:45 PM by Ultimatum

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80800: Feb 20th 2018 at 5:57:39 PM

Just a whole bunch of Ant Man legacy characters spill out.

Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Nadia Pym, Hope Pym, Scott Lang, Cassie Lang, Rita De Mara, Darren Cross, Eric O'Grady, Bill Foster and Raz Malhotra all burst out of a comically small package in a toy clown car and beat you up.

edited 20th Feb '18 6:04:11 PM by Whowho


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