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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It didn't gross less, either.
Vol 2: 146 mil opening, 389 mil domestic gross
- 333-94=239
- 389-146=243
Explain to me again how Guardians 2's domestic gross shamefully dropped off after the first weekend and it stopped making any money in the weeks that followed.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub....no one said that.
The opening weekend made up 37.5% of GOTG Vol 2's final gross, which means it had very respectable audience retention. Opening weekend made up 28% of GOTG Vol 1's final gross, meaning it had amazing audience retention.
The statement was that GOTG's retention was better than GOTG's (due to GOTG being more of an unknown quantity that really caught on with people, while Vol 2 had more hype), meaning that GOTG didn't gain as much as one might expect from having an higher opening weekend gross.
And that, in the same way, we don't know how well Black Panther will hold up in the following weeks. But given the positive reception, the good reviews the lack of any major competition...I'm expecting it to hold up well.
AOU had fairly poor audience retention (fitting with its middling reviews and middling fan reception) and still made $459 million; even if BP only matched that, it would be an amazing gross for a solo superhero film. If BP has good audience retention, there's no telling how high it could go
edited 18th Feb '18 9:13:04 PM by Galadriel
SUN for Black Panther finishing up well ahead of what #Disney estimated. $60M neighborhood, about $10M better than what studio thought. Now looking at around $200M+ 3day debut, 4day holiday launch of $230M+. Stunning.[1]
The point here is that most Marvel movies gross the most in the first two weekends except for the new "Smaller" properties like Got G. Black Panther has gathered so much interest that a lot of watching will happen early on. Though it is possible that there are enough rewatches to give it staying power.
Well, BP certainly deserves to make more. I don't hate IM 3, but it was pretty thoroughly mediocre. It had the advantage of riding the wave of popularity from Avengers, though.
If the numbers on the previous page are correct, BP will make about as much in its 4-day opening weekend as Doctor Strange did in its entire run. Which is rather satisfying.
edited 19th Feb '18 5:45:00 AM by Galadriel
Wait, seriously? (checks numbers) Wow, yeah. Strange only made $233 million domestic, with a worldwide total of $678 million. Not bad for a blockbuster film in general, all things considered, but for a Marvel film? Yeah, that lands it between Winter Soldier and Thor: The Dark World. Not as bad as Ant-Man but not exactly the stellar take one expects from a Marvel property.
It's almost like people prefer diverse casting to whitewashing or something.
edited 19th Feb '18 7:22:14 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I would say it's more that Black Panther speaks to something. It's a very culturally important movie with a character that's incredibly meaningful to a lot of people. Not only that but the film by all accounts is, well, great. Many are claiming it's the best Marvel film to date. So it's not surprising that it's doing this well. I always knew it could go the distance.
In comparison, Doctor Strange, from what everyone's told me, is a competently executed and fun enough film but on top of the whitewashing controversy it feels like it's hitting a lot of the same beats as the original Iron Man, and people have had enough of that.
edited 19th Feb '18 7:28:58 AM by Draghinazzo
Sure, but Strange was also a milestone in the MCU. Not a cultural one, mind you, but a huge one for the invested audience. In the years and months after it was announced, the internet was abuzz with how this would be the first Marvel film to feature magic. Unambiguous magic.
That assertion was incorrect, mind you; Loki, full stop. But that argument fell on deaf ears and fans excitedly chattered about how magic was coming to the MCU for the first time ever. There was a ton of enthusiasm from people who basically wanted Strange to step onscreen, fire off a bolt of energy, then look straight at the audience and go, "Science cannot explain these amazing forces of sorcery coming from my years of reading books!"
Strange wasn't going to be a great cultural turning point but it was slated to be the next-gen Iron Man based on the all the enthusiasm and excitement of people clamoring over the premise. And then the whitewashing thing happened and now it's Thor The Dark World.
That Ant Man managed to do even worse at the box office while Black Panther is raking in Avengers numbers says you really can't discount the effects that marginalization versus diversity are having on these totals.
edited 19th Feb '18 7:42:11 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I'm not trying to downplay how terrible the whitewashing and marginalization were for those respective films, but I don't think the average moviegoing audience really knows much or cares about the controversies, especially anything related to Ant-Man. At the end of the day they just want to see a fun movie.
I'd bet more that it was because both those films were ultimately just so-so, regardless of other aspects. There wasn't enough in them to resonate with the audience at large.
edited 19th Feb '18 7:50:46 AM by Draghinazzo
I wasn't aware there even was any sort of whitewashing controversy related to Ant-Man, I was just deeply aggravated by how badly they shortchanged The Wasp.
A female character who is better at everything involved with superheroing than the male lead, but remains limited to a supporting role solely because her father is concerned for her safety, is something better suited to a movie from the '60s or '70s than one from the 2010s. "My family would worry about me getting hurt" isn't considered a reason for Spider-Man not to be a superhero, and Spider-Man (in the MCU) is a child.
If they wanted a decent Ant-Man-style movie, Scott Lang shouldn't even have been in it.
Or is that what you meant?
EDIT: Blank Panther estimates have been updated to $202 million for the 3-day weekend and $235 million for the 4-day weekend.
That's nearly as high as The Avengers for the 3-day weekend (comparing the 4-day totals isn't accurate, as Avenger's wasn't released on a holiday weekend). So, fantastic.
edited 19th Feb '18 8:28:03 AM by Galadriel
I have nothing against Scott Lang except for the fact that The Wasp was better than him at everything, knew the suit better, knew the situation better, had a stronger personal connection with the villain they were fighting, and would in every way have been better suited to the superhero role than he was.
The only reason he was given the opportunity to become Ant-Man was in order to marginalize a better-qualified female character. That taints the whole movie.
And even aside from that, I didn't think it was very good.
Okay, then we agree.
A point in favour of Black Panther having strong audience retention: it only had the 8th-highest Friday, but rose to the 4-highest Saturday gross and is projected to have at least the 2nd-highest Sunday and Monday gross (behind only The Force Awakens).
It's gaining steam, not losing steam.
EDIT: Edited to remove prediction. :D
edited 19th Feb '18 8:57:53 AM by Galadriel
Or is that what you meant?.
Yeah, that's what I meant. The marginalization controversy with Ant-Man was that Scott Lang seemed completely superfluous. Even in the trailers, it just seemed like another version of this movie
. "Why isn't this movie about Hope?" was the obvious question at the start.
Marvel tried to compensate by making Hope's marginalization into a plot point, but making a Doylist problem into a Watsonian one doesn't actually erase the Doylist problem. Like, if Doctor Strange had a plot point about how there were several Asians vying for the title of the Ancient One but our Ancient One was able to claim it through her whiteness, it would not have improved the film in any way.
edited 19th Feb '18 9:28:00 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

It didn't gross a lot more than Vol 1 despite having a larger opening weekend:
Vol 1: 94 mil opening, 333 mil domestic gross
Vol 2: 146 mil opening, 389 mil domestic gross
If you prefer another comparison, Homecoming opened with $117 million but had about the same final domestic gross as GOTG Vol. 1.
But even if Black Panther had relatively large drop-offs in later weeks, it would still pass $400 mil domestic, and earn more than any MCU film except the two Avengers movies. Given the excellent critical and audience reception, I think we can expect it to do considerably better than that.
edited 18th Feb '18 7:47:12 PM by Galadriel