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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
- Peter: Michelle agreed to go with me to the school dance! This is great!
- Mysterio: Hey. Hey, Peter.
- Peter: Oh, no. (facepalm)
- Mysterio: I'll buy your date for half a retcon.
- Peter: Why won't you go away.
Actually, do a double twist. Have the whole film be a Shout-Out to Superhero films in general. The first act is Spider-Man fighting this over-the-top evil alien with a skybeam, Spidey snarks and quips and the alien is bland and lacking in personality. The second act and first twist is Spider-Man discovering that Mysterio was behind it, and he fights Mysterio, who is a super dark and cynical stunt-man-gone-super-villain with a super edgy and dark backstory involving a mutilated face. The third act and second twist is Spider-Man doing some actual sleuthing and discovering that even that was a facade and the real Mysterio is actually a famous and currently working movie actor who turns out to just be a massive asshole with some other plan that hinged on Spider-Man falling for both of his ruses.
Have Mysterio be played by a SUPER famous actor As Himself. Like, the MCU version of that actor is a super-villain named Mysterio, with the comic Mysterio's identity as his super-villain stage persona.
edited 15th Feb '18 7:41:07 AM by PushoverMediaCritic
I like PMC's idea and would add that the celebrity "guest-star" playing Mysterio should show up in a few innocuous places, doing cameo bits. Just like the Raimi trilogy was going with Bruce Campbell, only have Peter notice it.
For the sake of example, just drawing a name out of a hat, let's say Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise delivers a pizza to the Parker household and Peter pays him, takes the pizza, then stops and looks back at the door like, "...wait, what?"
Then, later, Tom Cruise is the waiter at a dining establishment he's at. And he looks to Ned and he's like, "Am I crazy, or was that Tom Cruise?" And then Ned flags him down and is all, "Excuse me, sir, my friend and I have a bet on whether or not you're Tom Cruise."
edited 15th Feb '18 7:44:09 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Wasn't Comic Doc Ock shown to have some love for his mother? And there was that librarian he fell in love that died of AIDS (which was retconned into being done by Osborn because Marvel thinks complexity is for dorks when it comes to the guy).
Movie Ock may have been more sympathetic but I wouldn't call his comic version 100% evil. At least not until Slott started writing him.
Yeah, it's weird that Slott likes the character so much, but his rendition is a total cackling madman who once tried to microwave the earth and even joined up with Hydra because it would be profitable. I read an arc from the JMS run with Ock, and I was amazed at how chill he was.
Ock has had a lot of ups and downs in terms of being a complete monster
Forever liveblogging the AvengersOck's one of the characters more drastically changed for the Raimi films but he retains some cornerstones of the character. The main one his motivation is still For Science! first and foremost (the film just decides, in a far-off but plausible change, to explore both sides of the For Science! motivation, with him being simultaneously a Mad Scientist and a kind scientist), it's just downplayed because of the whole "tentacles controlling him" business. And when he's under the sway of his tentacles he acts very close to his comic self's usual brand of Smug Snake Deadpan Snarker wit (the moment Ock arrives at Harry's house drinking brandy with his mechanical arm and the several occasions he removes or puts on his glasses with the arms in the most casual manner possible are pure Octavius). It's just that in this case he only acts this way when he's riding high the madness of his tentacles.
This is the most Otto Octavius shit ever:
The dismissive language, the casual glass removal with the tentacle, the "I'll peel the flesh off her bones" and that majestic cocky grin he gives Mary Jane when he kidnaps her. It's beautiful. You could perhaps say that the film has a very faithful Doctor Octopus but not a very faithful Otto Octavius (essentially because in the film they're two different personalities, while in the comic they're one and the same).
In the comics, his heroic traits tend to be occasional care for some loved ones. The most infamous case being the implication he actually genuinely liked Aunt May that time he married her, and every now and then someone implies he respects Peter Parker himself as a bright student (despite despising Spider-Man).
Spider-Man TAS had a great little moment the Sinister Six actually manage to subdue Spidey but due a bad case of Worf Had the Flu the fight is way too easy, so when they take off his mask and see Peter Parker, Octavius immediately assumes this is Parker dressed up as Spider-Man trying to play the hero. Immediately Octopus tells the other 5 to back off, because Peter's a great student and doesn't deserve this, and then asks him to not come back but bring actual Spider-Man next time.
In the film they somewhat play up on this by having Otto be very fond of Parker and by giving him a beloved wife, so you can say those traits are vague echoes of the comics. The bit that is a truly wild divergence is the idea Otto is under the sway of his own tentacles and they guide him to evil, which admittedly is a pretty big one.
edited 15th Feb '18 9:55:46 AM by Gaon
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Most versions from the comics have said that Doc Ock has brain damage from the accident that gave him his tentacles or otherwise was driven clinically insane, I don't think any version of events had him as genuinely evil from the start. True the comics version didn't have the Jekyl and Hyde dynamic or the same kind of Heel–Face Turn as the movie version, but he certainly had his moments of nobility or sympathy.
Homecoming did a Composite Character between Vulture and Green Goblin, especially in terms of discovering a classmate's dad is the supervillain. The scene where Spidey had to dodge the remote controlled wings was most definitely a Goblin-style action sequence than a Vulture one.
I remember a comic where Doc Ock discovered that he could control his metal arms telepathically while in prison, and they basically ran amuck and were untouchable because Ock's weak point has always been his soft human body in the center, without that, the arms are almost unstoppable. I think Spidey beat them by jamming the laptop he was watching them from, leaving the arms blind.
The part about unmasking him and not believing it happened in the comics too. When Peter publicly unmasked during Civil War, Ock threw a massive, violent tantrum over finding out that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, because he actually knew that from so many years ago but had dismissed it as implausible.
edited 15th Feb '18 11:45:49 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I actually quite like the TAS Doc Ock/Peter Parker relationship, because it goes both ways, with Peter having a really good understanding of how Ock thinks in their first encounter (because he knows he does everything For Science!! )
But Spectacular Ock is great as well. I love how intelligent he usually is.
"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"Ock's fit was from Sensational Spider-Man #28, "My Science Teacher is Spider-Man?!" I don't know where the scene he references is from.
All of the Spidey comics were dealing with the fallout of his unmasking at the time. It was one of the most fascinating periods of Spider-history in my opinion. Flash Thompson made him prove it by challenging him to basketball. Deb Whitman published a book about her relationship with him. J. Jonah Jameson sued him for fraud.
Over in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Peter David wrote one of the greatest Spider-Man stories of all time in my opinion: three separate Mysterios all converged on the high school where Peter worked, each with his own agenda. Hilarity ensued.
edited 15th Feb '18 12:10:53 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.

Honnestly the opening of Spider-man 4 sounds like it would have been the highlight of the series. Spider-man catching a bunch of c list villains in campy home made costumes during a montage.