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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80451: Feb 13th 2018 at 11:23:34 PM

I saw it less as Tony seeing Vision as infallible and more him still equating Vision with Jarvis in his head. And since Jarvis was "older," Tony put too much faith in Vision to handle things and didn't fully consider that Vision was young and still learning about how to interact with other beings himself.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80452: Feb 14th 2018 at 12:29:00 AM

Vision isn't older, though. He is more JARVIS child than another incarnation of him.

I wonder how the original Jarvis would feel knowing that he is a grandfather by now.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#80453: Feb 14th 2018 at 1:01:16 AM

I bet Tony really misses JARVIS... Who, along with Happy and Pepper, was pretty much his only family.

Notoyax17 When all you have is a blowtorch... Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: I've got a total eclipse of the heart
When all you have is a blowtorch...
#80454: Feb 14th 2018 at 1:08:47 AM

[up] And Rhodey.

"Yo, those kids are straight up liars, man. All I told them to do was run product. And by product, I mean chewing gum."
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80455: Feb 14th 2018 at 2:24:15 AM

Yeah Rhodey, Pepper, Happy, and Jarvis seemed to be the only truly close friends that Tony has. I mean he might be friendly with some of the other Avengers, and he liked Coulson despite all the snark, but it's not to the same level.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80456: Feb 14th 2018 at 4:56:05 AM

You're forgetting DUM-E.

Gosh, out of Tony's five friends, he built two and employed two more.

@last page, if I were to fan roster an MCU avengers team it would be,

Valkyrie as field captain, Wasp, Vision, Wanda, War Machine & Falcon. Bank rolled by KING THOR OF ASGARD. (Thor gave Falcon some thing that let's him talk to birds)

I imagine I'd swap someone out after seing Captain Marvel. Honnestly I don't like seing super teams bigger than six operatives.

edited 14th Feb '18 5:55:25 AM by Whowho

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#80457: Feb 14th 2018 at 5:40:20 AM

Tony might be closer to Pepper, Happy (never forget Happy!) and Rhodey than the Avengers due to knowing them much longer and spending more time with them. And he might have a difficult relationship with some of the Avengers, most notable Natasha (due to her assessment of him) and Wanda. But I am sure that he saw Steve as his friend, which is exactly why he was so hurt when he discovered that Steve kept from him how that his parents were murdered. After all, Tony has trust issues at the best of times. Understandably.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#80458: Feb 14th 2018 at 5:46:18 AM

Ideal Avengers team based on faves: Cap, T’Challa, Valkyrie, Thor, Falcon, Spider-Man

Ideal Avengers team based on strategy: Cap, T’Challa, Valkyrie, Black Widow, Wasp, War Machine.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80459: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:26:25 AM

Throw Captain Marvel in there as well.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#80460: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:33:57 AM

I'm holding out on fan rostering Captain Marvel until I see her film. She's got so many reinterpretations in the comics I don't know what to expect from her MCU personality.

Also maybe Spectrum will be in her film and I'll prefer Monica?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#80461: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:45:39 AM

"One quit being Spider-Man for a while because someone he loved died and the other did it because it was just hard."

Actually one quit because it was impossible to be Spider-Man due to him losing his powers.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#80462: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:48:20 AM

Psssssh that never stopped Mayday

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#80463: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:49:12 AM

So, as someone who isn't that familiar with Carol Danvers, what stories are most likely to be adapted in/insipre Captain Marvel? My perception of Carol in the comics is that, likely because of Rogue having her powers during the longest time and her (Carol) getting caught in Marvel's endless relaunches, she does not have much in the way of famous storylines, status quos, supporting cast members or rogues. Granted, since it's a movie with Skrulls it could point towards a Secret Invasion storyline down the road: after Infinity War, the Earth will have repeled Thanos, stopped Dormmamu and become home to one of the most formible fighting forces in the known universe, so the Skrulls will probably want a piece of that pie.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#80464: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:50:57 AM

She has an infamous one, but no one talks about that.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#80465: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:52:18 AM

[up]Avengers 200.

Which she called the Avengers out on EPICALLY thanks to Chris Claremont.

edited 14th Feb '18 7:52:35 AM by Beatman1

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#80466: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:53:48 AM

Carpl's also rather famous for having her powers stolen by Rogues.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80467: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:54:28 AM

Her run in Busiek's Avengers is pretty iconic but not great for her.

She gets alcoholism, tries to fly to space, fails, and then goes to a bar to mope.

But she cleans herself up and then murders a dude.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#80468: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:54:40 AM

[nja] [up] x3 Yeah, learned about that through AT 4 W. I would think Marvel would want to steer clear of that noise. I was more saying "What, based on the comics, is likely to happen during Captain Marvel and Carol's subsequent appearences?"

edited 14th Feb '18 7:55:06 AM by Aleistar

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#80469: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:56:47 AM

Took me a minute to think of which infamous one you meant- the Avengers being totally cool with her becoming barefoot, pregnant, and brainwashed by her husband/son rapist who mind controlled her or the various recent arcs of her being a fascist (well, not a literal fascist like the Captain Hydra Captain America but rather like Tony Stark at his worst during the comic Civil War).

Other than that though, the well-liked run by Kelly Sue De Connick has her doing cool stuff in space and on earth and being an inspirational figure. So hopefully they'll go with that one.

Interestingly, I just looked up De Connick on The Other Wiki, and she's actually a Military Brat, who probably makes her ideal to write about Carol. And for what it's worth, also a recovering alcoholic...

Edit- [nja]

edited 14th Feb '18 8:06:22 AM by Hodor2

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80470: Feb 14th 2018 at 7:58:45 AM

it's been confirmed that the film will be set in The '90s, and will feature the titular heroine fighting the Skrull Empire, a race of shapeshifting aliens, for the Kree

It sounds like they might adapt elements of Mar-Vell's stories for Carol.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80471: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:12:51 AM

I'd imagine that they'll probably pull bits and pieces from various runs. Like I think that there will probably be some Kelly Sue Deconnick influences in there (especially since Brie was reading some of her books for research), some of the Mar-vell stuff, maybe some of Brian Reed's run as well, etc.

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#80472: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:26:07 AM

Actually one quit because it was impossible to be Spider-Man due to him losing his powers.

Sure, but the reason he was losing his powers is because being Spider-Man was hard. Being Spider-Man was making everything else in his life more complicated and so he started losing the will to Spider-Man, and his powers faded along with it.

Once MJ was kidnapped and he needed to Spider-Man again, his powers snapped right back like they were never gone. The loss of his powers was purely psychosomatic, a result of his emotional breakdown over how hard being Spider-Man is.

edited 14th Feb '18 8:29:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#80473: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:28:06 AM

Yeah he even had a conversation with Ghost Uncle Ben about it.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#80474: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:30:11 AM

He gave up being Spider-Man because it was hard but then his Sexy Lamp was stolen and that was more important. The power of boners prevails over emotional distress.

These are the things I think of when people are like, "This is the greatest superhero movie of all time, you guys!" The train fight is one of the best superhero scenes of all time. The rest of the movie? Ehhh.

edited 14th Feb '18 8:32:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#80475: Feb 14th 2018 at 8:32:50 AM

I have mixed feelings about the train scene because the kind of sentimental cloying bullshit of the crowd scene isn't the kind of thing that personally moves me.

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